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  • #16
    Originally posted by MikeColangelo View Post
    I was wondering about that and ABS. So, with the 14" Brembos up front and stock brakes in back, how would you get the brakes to feel balanced? Currently, my planned setup is:
    Front: 14" Brembos with Carbotech XP10 pads and brake cooling ducts
    Rear: Stock calipers/rotors with Carbotech XP8 pads
    Master cylinder and ABS module: OEM stock.

    Do you think this will work OK?
    you may want to put a more aggressive pad in the rear and more mild in front(if you can, temp wise). Like XP12 in the rear. But this is a guess as my info is from 2008 and Carbotech did not have as many compounds. In fact we're using Hawks at the time. Till you should have two sets of pads. One for the track and one for the street. Because on the street you can not generate enough heat to make the track pads work properly and wear quicker.

    As for the ABS, it shouldn't be to bad. If it dose mess with you, you can always turn it off till you get the brakes sorted.


    Originally posted by MikeColangelo View Post
    I drove an S197 Mustang GT with the FRPP handling package and really liked it. My car has the same setup. I realize there are better performing options but for sticking to a budget, I'm going to stick with what I have. At least initially.
    One thing I need is more camber. Can you recommend a good camber plate?
    You do need camber plates. Maximum Motorsports are one of the best. I have K-Mac's but they are to expensive and had to get. I get most all my stuff from Wildpony. That's also who I was working with doing the testing.
    Also. OME sway bars are fine. But you could befit with the OME rear control links. If you don't want the Aftermarket ones.
    Oh and one more thing. For the top (3rd link). The Roush "Hop Control" setup works the best. '


    Originally posted by MikeColangelo View Post
    I I want to do some bracket racing with this car so I'm leaning towards the 4.10 rear gear. I look at it as a speed-limiter. 130 mph is plenty fast for:
    The only problem is, even with the 3:73's you run out I gear on Big Willow (red Lin in 5th before t8 and Cali Speedway just before t1. Just something the thing about.
    That's not a Typo, I just can't spell no so well.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Gian View Post
      you may want to put a more aggressive pad in the rear and more mild in front(if you can, temp wise). Like XP12 in the rear. But this is a guess as my info is from 2008 and Carbotech did not have as many compounds. In fact we're using Hawks at the time. Till you should have two sets of pads. One for the track and one for the street. Because on the street you can not generate enough heat to make the track pads work properly and wear quicker.

      As for the ABS, it shouldn't be to bad. If it dose mess with you, you can always turn it off till you get the brakes sorted.


      You do need camber plates. Maximum Motorsports are one of the best. I have K-Mac's but they are to expensive and had to get. I get most all my stuff from Wildpony. That's also who I was working with doing the testing.
      Also. OME sway bars are fine. But you could befit with the OME rear control links. If you don't want the Aftermarket ones.
      Oh and one more thing. For the top (3rd link). The Roush "Hop Control" setup works the best. '



      The only problem is, even with the 3:73's you run out I gear on Big Willow (red Lin in 5th before t8 and Cali Speedway just before t1. Just something the thing about.
      Thanks!

      I'll wait before changing rear gears. Currently, the car has the stock 3.55 gearing.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by MikeColangelo View Post
        Does Rosamond, CA qualify as "some other God-forsaken place"?
        On the contrary... Rosamond is God's Land... home of the "Fastest Road in the West".



        Even for Crown Vics.

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        • #19
          Rosamond is great for a weekend on the Big Track at WSIR. Frankly, I wouldn't set foot in there for any other reason . . .
          The deposed former Sheriff of trackHQ . . .

          2006 Porsche 997 Carerra Coupe 6-MT - daily driver
          1992 Honda (Acura) NSX 5-MT - classic investment I couldn't resist and occasionally drive
          2004 Honda S2000 AP2 6-MT - my last track day car (FOR SALE or not, depending on how I feel when I fall out of bed tomorrow morning)
          2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR 6-MT - when I need a backseat, 4-doors, or a real trunk, and still want to haul ass . . .

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          • #20
            crown vic police interceptors actually have better front and rear suspensions from the factory than the mustangs and they're only 62 pounds heavier than a GT500 if you swap out the 4R75E for a TR-3650.. better weight distribution than a GT500 as well.. 56%-44% compared to 57.7%-42.3% and that's before moving the battery to the trunk
            Last edited by slodrew; 06-25-2014, 11:49 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by slodrew View Post
              crown vic police interceptors actually have better front and rear suspensions from the factory than the mustangs and they're only 62 pounds heavier than a GT500 if you swap out the 4R75E for a TR-3650.. better weight distribution than a GT500 as well.. 56%-44% compared to 57.7%-42.3% and that's before moving the battery to the trunk
              and????? What dose this have to do with the price of tea in China?
              That's not a Typo, I just can't spell no so well.

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              • #22
                Ok, here are some pics of the car before I started removing interior pieces to prepare for the rear half-cage. These are the "before" photos before it gets turned into a street-legal track car.

                Later on today the car will be delivered to Moti at Blackbird Fabworx for the rear half-cage and Sparco Evo racing seats/Schroth harnesses installation.

                After six days, my mullet haircut is growing in nicely.

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                • #23
                  Such a pretty car!
                  I miss my 5.0...

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                  • #24
                    A few hours with basic hand tools and I was able to remove the trunk liners and most of the interior aft of the front seats. I also disabled the airbag system and removed the front airbag-equipped passenger seat. This is to get the car ready for the half-cage installation.

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                    • #25
                      Did you weigh it before hand?
                      99 Mazda Miata SuperMiata #515 - AKA Sparky SOLD
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Red_5 View Post
                        Did you weigh it before hand?
                        No, but the interior pieces in the picture weigh about 50-60 lbs total. The even heavier driver's seat still needs to come out.

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                        • #27
                          Sorry, about the lack of updates. Busy, busy, busy!

                          Ok, I got the car back from Moti about a month or so ago. As usual, Moti did a fantastic job. He mouned the Sparco race seats, driver's harness, and built
                          and welded in the rear half cage. The rear half cage is a work of art. I love showing it off. Here are some pics:
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                          Next, stock Mustang GT front brakes are undersized and not up to the task for track days. The proven solution seems to be upgrading to 14" Brembos, cooling ducts, and, of course, DOT 4 brake fluid and track pads. So I installed the 14" Brembo front brake kit, Vorshlag brake cooling duct kit, Agent 47 lower grill with integrated brake cooling air scoops, and ARP long wheel studs and stainless steel brake lines on all 4 corners. Motul 600 brake fluid and Carbotech racing pads front and rear rounded out the brake upgrade. Rear calipers and rotors are the OEM pieces. Here are pics of the 14" Brembos, cooling ducts, and Agent 47 lower grill air scoop:
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                          With the brakes taken care of, I installed 18"x9.5" Ford Racing GT500 wheels shod with BF Goodrich g-Force Sport Comp 2 tires (275/40ZR18). I went with a square setup to allow for 4-wheel tire rotation.

                          After that, I dropped the car off at Wild Pony Motorsports in Canyon Country to install the camber plates, give it a track alignment, and check that the suspension was installed correctly by the previous owner (it was).

                          The car is now track ready but I'm not done yet. Future upgrades include installing a CAI, a gauge package (with real gauges), front and rear tow hooks, and have Moti install the Blackbird Fabworx windshield banner.
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                          Last edited by MikeColangelo; 08-17-2014, 05:03 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Very cool. Thanks for posting!
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                            • #29
                              I still can't believe that I managed to cram the rear trim pieces back in
                              Mike's instructions said that _if_ it's possible to get the trim pieces back in that'll be nice but don't compromise the cage work for that.
                              So I took some measurements on the trim pieces as a mental note for minimum clearance sideways, but the trim pieces are so big that even getting them in there at all was near impossible by the time the cage was done.
                              There was a lot of pushing, shoving, flexing, stretching and choice words involved in getting them in..
                              Moti

                              Blackbird Fabworx - Quality Performance Fabrication

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                              • #30
                                The S197's suspension geometry really unloads the rear tires under braking. In our racecars we use Hawk HP+ rear pads because anything more aggressive causes excessive ABS. I wouldn't worry too much about upgrading or touching the rears when you go to the Brembo front setup.

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