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  • Street tire Miata Lap times

    Ok, give me a ballpark lap time number for a HPDE/TT miata that has the following mods ($2-3k max):
    -rollbar/seat/harness
    -pads
    -street tires (RS3)
    -1 way coil overs
    -really basic bolt ons (exhaust/intake/header)
    -oem aero
    -minimal weight reduction (~50lbs)

    I am not talking about Sonny/Emilio absolute fastest time ever. If they are considered 10/10ths driver. I'm talking about 9.5/10ths driver. 1-2s off their pace as considering as fast. 3-4s off as avg. And 5-6s as slow.

    FAST AVG Slow
    Buttonwillow 13CW
    WSIR
    SOW CW
    SOW CCW
    ACS Roval
    CVR CW
    CVR CCW

    I need something to shoot at.
    Zhong (Evo IX) | Angry Panda Racing

    1:53.396 @ BRP CW13 - 11/14/13
    1:47.2xx @ Laguna Seca - 11/28/10
    2:03.026 @ Thill CCW Bypass - 12/20/14
    2:05.100 @ CVR CCW - 1/16/11
    1:58.151 @ CVR CW - 5/5/13
    1:25.56x @ WSIR - 10/13/13
    1:23.128 @ SOW CW - 7/27/14
    1:22.2xx @ SOW CCW - 7/26/14
    1:46.0xx @ ACS Roval - 11/23/14
    1:11.299 @ ACS Infield - 5/18/14

    Fastest Limited/Mod Class Evo in Time Attack at WSIR
    2nd Fastest Limited/Mod Class Evo in Time Attack at BRP 13CW

  • #2
    Did you finally buy a Miata?

    IIRC, Emilio did a 2:02 a couple of years ago in the street driven orange NA with NB2 drivetrain and I believe 225 RS3s. I don't remember what kind of power it was making back then but it wasn't crazy.
    99 Mazda Miata SuperMiata #515 - AKA Sparky SOLD
    '91 Mariner Blue Miata project AKA Napoleon

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Red_5 View Post
      Did you finally buy a Miata?

      IIRC, Emilio did a 2:02 a couple of years ago in the street driven orange NA with NB2 drivetrain and I believe 225 RS3s. I don't remember what kind of power it was making back then but it wasn't crazy.
      If you mention a lap time, but don't state the track, are we to assume it's world-famous Buttonwillow 13-CW?
      Last edited by Richard EVO; 03-08-2015, 03:40 PM.
      The deposed former Sheriff of trackHQ . . .

      2006 Porsche 997 Carerra Coupe 6-MT - daily driver
      1992 Honda (Acura) NSX 5-MT - classic investment I couldn't resist and occasionally drive
      2004 Honda S2000 AP2 6-MT - my last track day car (FOR SALE or not, depending on how I feel when I fall out of bed tomorrow morning)
      2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR 6-MT - when I need a backseat, 4-doors, or a real trunk, and still want to haul ass . . .

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Richard EVO View Post
        If you mention a lap time, but don't state the track, are we to assume it's world-famous Buttonwillow 13-CA?
        I've never heard of that configuration.

        Yes, I did forget and yes I was talking about BRP 13CW
        Last edited by Red_5; 03-08-2015, 03:11 PM.
        99 Mazda Miata SuperMiata #515 - AKA Sparky SOLD
        '91 Mariner Blue Miata project AKA Napoleon

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Pure EvoIX View Post
          Ok, give me a ballpark lap time number for a HPDE/TT miata that has the following mods ($2-3k max):
          -rollbar/seat/harness
          -pads
          -street tires (RS3)
          -1 way coil overs
          -really basic bolt ons (exhaust/intake/header)
          -oem aero
          -minimal weight reduction (~50lbs)

          I am not talking about Sonny/Emilio absolute fastest time ever. If they are considered 10/10ths driver. I'm talking about 9.5/10ths driver. 1-2s off their pace as considering as fast. 3-4s off as avg. And 5-6s as slow.

          FAST AVG Slow
          Buttonwillow 13CW
          WSIR
          SOW CW
          SOW CCW
          ACS Roval
          CVR CW
          CVR CCW

          I need something to shoot at.
          Slower then my Civic with the same mods

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          • #6
            Don't ask Emilio because he'll quote a time that is ~2 seconds beyond what anyone else is doing with the same hardware, and you'll spend years trying to figure out how to get that time.

            -Ryan
            Ryan Passey
            Singulär Motorsports | Goodwin Racing

            #13 1990 Miata
            "The sport dedicating to the spirits of time attacking motoring" -Emilio

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            • #7
              Originally posted by thepass View Post
              Don't ask Emilio because he'll quote a time that is ~2 seconds beyond what anyone else is doing with the same hardware, and you'll spend years trying to figure out how to get that time.

              -Ryan
              I figured it out long time ago. I am a much better driver, so it must be:

              NOS
              S1 Supermiata - 220whp
              13 Tesla, ma: no engine !!
              17 GT350R
              03 Miata Club Sport
              96 NSX
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              • #8
                My car has more money in it than that... but a benchmark.
                BRP 13CW
                -Xida's
                -205/50/15 rivals on x8's (about 35ish sessions on these tires)
                -VVT motor with megasquirt, I-H-E (147whp)
                -Supermiata style spoiler - no front aero
                -Carbotech brakes on oem sport rotors
                -2370ish w/driver

                2:04.5 on the new surface with predictive saying that a 2:03.9 was possible. I think I could honestly get a bit better than that after watching the videos.

                I'd say with a stock drive train and some decent suspension 2:05-2:07 is easily doable.
                Last edited by ebruner; 03-09-2015, 01:03 PM.

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                • #9
                  interesting. No, I haven't bought one. My friend and I are thinking of going halvsies on his NA with 1.8L miata, put 2-3k into it (safety, suspension, basic power mods I/H/E ~140whp, good pads and tires) and go have fun doing Roadster Cup/Miata Challenge/TT type events and share the car for the weekend (5 sessions each) and just have tons of fun and seat time for cheap. Just pay for gas and entry fees. Probably cost $300/weekend per person in consumables/fees/maintenance after initial $1500/person modifications. 12 weekends/24 days/yr = $$4100/yr total "investment" per person. CHEAP!! Learn how to drive a miata. Worse case, sell it. Get back at least $4k. No need to worry about truck or trailer. Drive it to the track, drive it back. Drive up another vehicle for parts/tools/spares etc...
                  LOL.
                  Last edited by Pure EvoIX; 03-09-2015, 01:59 PM.
                  Zhong (Evo IX) | Angry Panda Racing

                  1:53.396 @ BRP CW13 - 11/14/13
                  1:47.2xx @ Laguna Seca - 11/28/10
                  2:03.026 @ Thill CCW Bypass - 12/20/14
                  2:05.100 @ CVR CCW - 1/16/11
                  1:58.151 @ CVR CW - 5/5/13
                  1:25.56x @ WSIR - 10/13/13
                  1:23.128 @ SOW CW - 7/27/14
                  1:22.2xx @ SOW CCW - 7/26/14
                  1:46.0xx @ ACS Roval - 11/23/14
                  1:11.299 @ ACS Infield - 5/18/14

                  Fastest Limited/Mod Class Evo in Time Attack at WSIR
                  2nd Fastest Limited/Mod Class Evo in Time Attack at BRP 13CW

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                  • #10
                    Nobody have any comment on the other tracks besides buttonwillow?
                    Zhong (Evo IX) | Angry Panda Racing

                    1:53.396 @ BRP CW13 - 11/14/13
                    1:47.2xx @ Laguna Seca - 11/28/10
                    2:03.026 @ Thill CCW Bypass - 12/20/14
                    2:05.100 @ CVR CCW - 1/16/11
                    1:58.151 @ CVR CW - 5/5/13
                    1:25.56x @ WSIR - 10/13/13
                    1:23.128 @ SOW CW - 7/27/14
                    1:22.2xx @ SOW CCW - 7/26/14
                    1:46.0xx @ ACS Roval - 11/23/14
                    1:11.299 @ ACS Infield - 5/18/14

                    Fastest Limited/Mod Class Evo in Time Attack at WSIR
                    2nd Fastest Limited/Mod Class Evo in Time Attack at BRP 13CW

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                    • #11
                      Under 1:54s at Laguna on 205 Rivals.
                      Probably 2:02s or so at Sonoma on the same tire.

                      My car was severely down on torque this season (124/100) and I managed to run 1:58s at Laguna with a passenger and 2:06s at Sonoma, dragging my ass with a heavy (2570lb car + driver) Miata.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pure EvoIX View Post
                        I need something to shoot at.
                        Every car will be different. New vs old tires, weather. I wouldn't worry about any particular lap times as that can be misleading. Say you shoot for a 2:05 somewhere but your car is capable of a 2:03.5 that day. Only way to know what your car is capable of on a given day is to put a top driver in it for a data lap.
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                        But obviously I just dont get it. -fatbillybob

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                        • #13
                          Is now the time to remind Zhong that whatever the lap times are, it'll be a hoot to drive?
                          Slow car fast and all?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pure EvoIX View Post
                            I need something to shoot at.
                            shoot Emilio, and you will be faster.....
                            S1 Supermiata - 220whp
                            13 Tesla, ma: no engine !!
                            17 GT350R
                            03 Miata Club Sport
                            96 NSX
                            06 EVO MR
                            15 Mini Cooper S
                            Beck 550 Spyder

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                            • #15
                              If you shoot AT Emilio, and miss, then Emilio will drive even faster.
                              2001 MR2-Eleven
                              Experience Points: 21
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