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  • #16
    Originally posted by bellwilliam View Post
    ...time for you to get a reliable dedicated track car.
    I agree with the conclusion ...but the supporting turbo miata example doesn't sound so convincing. It reads like the dedicated track car is the time bomb. I agree with that too. It is.

    All race cars are in an ongoing fail state. Question of when, where, and how you finally find out about it.

    Most of us get into this dumb sport the same way. We do a few track days and catch the bug. We somehow naively and miraculously manage to avoid most of the risks that lead to attrition. And one fine day it occurs to us that spending a small fortune on race cars is a really good idea. And it's not a good idea. It's a great idea!

    The Subaru is like most newish street cars - buy now, pay later. Most people can blissfully run the car hard and most cars will be reliable (amazingly so, for awhile). The big question is if your track wheels are your street wheels, and how that impacts you. So, going back to that fail state thing and how you finally find out about it... there are some things you don't want to discover later. Like safety gear tends to be better in a prepped race car. Or that it's rare to write off a race car when you hit something.

    In any event, I think I can speak for a lot of people here when I say that we like to see people graduate to dedicated track/race cars. The sooner the better. And in the meantime now that my PSA is over, let's see you throw down some laps! That's a fine car, enjoy it.

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    • #17
      And a fine PSA it was.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by SeanB View Post
        I agree with the conclusion ...but the supporting turbo miata example doesn't sound so convincing. It reads like the dedicated track car is the time bomb. I agree with that too. It is.

        All race cars are in an ongoing fail state. Question of when, where, and how you finally find out about it.

        Most of us get into this dumb sport the same way. We do a few track days and catch the bug. We somehow naively and miraculously manage to avoid most of the risks that lead to attrition. And one fine day it occurs to us that spending a small fortune on race cars is a really good idea. And it's not a good idea. It's a great idea!

        The Subaru is like most newish street cars - buy now, pay later. Most people can blissfully run the car hard and most cars will be reliable (amazingly so, for awhile). The big question is if your track wheels are your street wheels, and how that impacts you. So, going back to that fail state thing and how you finally find out about it... there are some things you don't want to discover later. Like safety gear tends to be better in a prepped race car. Or that it's rare to write off a race car when you hit something.

        In any event, I think I can speak for a lot of people here when I say that we like to see people graduate to dedicated track/race cars. The sooner the better. And in the meantime now that my PSA is over, let's see you throw down some laps! That's a fine car, enjoy it.
        agree
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        • #19
          Originally posted by SeanB View Post
          . . . In any event, I think I can speak for a lot of people here when I say that we like to see people graduate to dedicated track/race cars. . . .
          But the truck-trailer thing requires a significant 'belly up to the bar' that garages, driveways, and wives, may not have room for.
          Last edited by Loose Caboose; 03-15-2017, 10:35 PM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Loose Caboose View Post
            But the truck-trailer thing requires a significant 'belly up to the bar' that garages, driveways, and wives, may not have room for.
            Yep.
            I love the idea that factory cars could be used on track, touge and some road trip with friends. That's why I'm so fascinated by some 35k price tag cars like FocusRS, STI and upcoming TypeR even equipped with suspension comfort mode.

            Definitely those stock cars couldn't turn in as well as Spec miatas on track and they are inevitably around 3000-3300lbs.
            Last edited by jqsti2015; 03-15-2017, 10:47 PM.
            VA(15) STI/FRS

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Loose Caboose View Post
              But the truck-trailer thing requires a significant 'belly up to the bar' that garages, driveways, and wives, may not have room for.
              There are ways. You can have a car that's nearly dedicated to the track. Rollbar, harnesses, seats, etc.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by robburgoon View Post
                There are ways. You can have a car that's nearly dedicated to the track. Rollbar, harnesses, seats, etc.
                I agree. Even for stock cars, safety gears or seats are necessary.
                All of my cars use buckets seats, harness bar...At least bucket seats could give driver more feel of a car.I saw a discussion about E46 M3 accident at buttonwillow talking about safety gears and I learnt a lot from there.
                Last edited by jqsti2015; 03-16-2017, 06:24 AM.
                VA(15) STI/FRS

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                • #23
                  I don't trust subaru engine(both my FRS and STI)on track at all so I want to keep my warranty and never push hot laps constantly. Stock engine is relatively safer and has warranty to cover but it's still not a Honda B18C.
                  I find out it's interesting that EJ(STI engine) hardly failed at any racing event including some old WRC days and NBR24, SuperGT in past 15 years. I know it definitely has much stronger short block(also much bigger whp) but it seems to be reliable with high standard of maintenance. Modified engine with high power, bad tune or lack of proper maintenance including overheating should be the reason why EJ blows up a lot on road cars. Especially temperature of SoCal track on summer could easily rise up to 100F. I don't think subaru engine could take that even with modified oil cooler and radiator. I just leave it full stock and stop tracking SoCal tracks during hot summer.(3 months?)
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by bellwilliam View Post
                    I know Miata, I can tell you that $5k turbo Miata are super reliable at 2:10s. you start to go sub 2:05s, then it gets a little less reliable. as you hit sub 2s, it falls apart. as you hit sub 1:55s, they catch on fire while sitting in pit.
                    lol. So true
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                    Aside from their cost I never understood why people race them.
                    But obviously I just dont get it. -fatbillybob

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