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  • #61
    about 15% gain over 91
    Zhong (Evo IX) | Angry Panda Racing

    1:53.396 @ BRP CW13 - 11/14/13
    1:47.2xx @ Laguna Seca - 11/28/10
    2:03.026 @ Thill CCW Bypass - 12/20/14
    2:05.100 @ CVR CCW - 1/16/11
    1:58.151 @ CVR CW - 5/5/13
    1:25.56x @ WSIR - 10/13/13
    1:23.128 @ SOW CW - 7/27/14
    1:22.2xx @ SOW CCW - 7/26/14
    1:46.0xx @ ACS Roval - 11/23/14
    1:11.299 @ ACS Infield - 5/18/14

    Fastest Limited/Mod Class Evo in Time Attack at WSIR
    2nd Fastest Limited/Mod Class Evo in Time Attack at BRP 13CW

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Pure EvoIX View Post
      all this 140whp talk makes me feel bad for miatas. lol. E85 for evos from 380whp on 91 can make 440 on same dyno. So that is 3/7ths power of the magical 140whp # you all keep referring to.
      That's it?Makes me feel bad for the Evos There are few M3s that from 3.2l make 750+whp and 700+ wtq @ E85 .
      But that would be in the superbimmer category

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      • #63
        Originally posted by emilio700 View Post
        List your current hardware.
        Everything will be good in my world once I finally get a programmable ECU in my car over winter. I just want to do it right the first time.
        Currently: BP4W, '91 ECU, '91 Intake (AFM and all), RB header - 123 hp
        -Anthony
        1991 Miata - Trogdor SuperMiata
        2011 Ram 2500 - all the torque

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        • #64
          Originally posted by b3d3g1 View Post
          Everything will be good in my world once I finally get a programmable ECU in my car over winter. I just want to do it right the first time.
          Currently: BP4W, '91 ECU, '91 Intake (AFM and all), RB header - 123 hp
          You wont need E85. Just do the intake and ECU.
          Sonnys numbers are not relevant to your totally different long block. 123whp is exactly what you hardware should make as it sits.
          WWW.949RACING.COM
          SuperMiata

          Aside from their cost I never understood why people race them.
          But obviously I just dont get it. -fatbillybob

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          • #65
            Originally posted by emilio700 View Post
            You wont need E85. Just do the intake and ECU.
            Sonnys numbers are not relevant to your totally different long block. 123whp is exactly what you hardware should make as it sits.
            Yeah I get that. It just seemed like you guys were surprised by those numbers with those mods and emphasizing the E85 part. I have no tuning or E85 experience so I was trying to make sense of what part was so news worthy and could be applicable to me in the future.
            -Anthony
            1991 Miata - Trogdor SuperMiata
            2011 Ram 2500 - all the torque

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            • #66
              Originally posted by thepass View Post
              One of the big reasons I'm going to be making all the effort to run SPM. I've dreamed of doing enduros, never thought it could happen. But late summer at WSIR??? I get sweaty just thinking about it.. not in a good way. Like, sweat where you don't want it because you know how freaking hot it's going to be... that kind of way.

              -Ryan
              Sack up, Nancy and put your Big Boy pants on. 90/90 is par for the course here in the Southeast. 90 degrees, 90% humidity.
              Yer pal,
              Force

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              • #67
                Originally posted by b3d3g1 View Post
                Yeah I get that. It just seemed like you guys were surprised by those numbers with those mods and emphasizing the E85 part. I have no tuning or E85 experience so I was trying to make sense of what part was so news worthy and could be applicable to me in the future.
                Definitely surprised at how much difference the intake made. The ECu and E85 gains were already known for the most part.
                WWW.949RACING.COM
                SuperMiata

                Aside from their cost I never understood why people race them.
                But obviously I just dont get it. -fatbillybob

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by bawareca View Post
                  That's it?Makes me feel bad for the Evos There are few M3s that from 3.2l make 750+whp and 700+ wtq @ E85 .
                  But that would be in the superbimmer category
                  I wished i had 2 extra cyl and another 1.2L of displacement. I am sure I could make those numbers too. Anyways, sorry for the off topic.
                  Zhong (Evo IX) | Angry Panda Racing

                  1:53.396 @ BRP CW13 - 11/14/13
                  1:47.2xx @ Laguna Seca - 11/28/10
                  2:03.026 @ Thill CCW Bypass - 12/20/14
                  2:05.100 @ CVR CCW - 1/16/11
                  1:58.151 @ CVR CW - 5/5/13
                  1:25.56x @ WSIR - 10/13/13
                  1:23.128 @ SOW CW - 7/27/14
                  1:22.2xx @ SOW CCW - 7/26/14
                  1:46.0xx @ ACS Roval - 11/23/14
                  1:11.299 @ ACS Infield - 5/18/14

                  Fastest Limited/Mod Class Evo in Time Attack at WSIR
                  2nd Fastest Limited/Mod Class Evo in Time Attack at BRP 13CW

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Pure EvoIX View Post
                    all this 140whp talk makes me feel bad for miatas. lol. E85 for evos from 380whp on 91 can make 440 on same dyno. So that is 3/7ths power of the magical 140whp # you all keep referring to.
                    SuperMiata:

                    - w2w racing actually requires some skill outside of having the most whp
                    - will not require 6 engines to complete a full season
                    - gets the attention of grown men in Castro district

                    Time Attack Evo:

                    - pretty much guaranteed a trophy at every event
                    - gets more likes on Facebook
                    - gets the attention of teenage boys everywhere

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                    • #70
                      hahaha i don't need 6 engines -__-. Just 2 or 3. :P
                      Zhong (Evo IX) | Angry Panda Racing

                      1:53.396 @ BRP CW13 - 11/14/13
                      1:47.2xx @ Laguna Seca - 11/28/10
                      2:03.026 @ Thill CCW Bypass - 12/20/14
                      2:05.100 @ CVR CCW - 1/16/11
                      1:58.151 @ CVR CW - 5/5/13
                      1:25.56x @ WSIR - 10/13/13
                      1:23.128 @ SOW CW - 7/27/14
                      1:22.2xx @ SOW CCW - 7/26/14
                      1:46.0xx @ ACS Roval - 11/23/14
                      1:11.299 @ ACS Infield - 5/18/14

                      Fastest Limited/Mod Class Evo in Time Attack at WSIR
                      2nd Fastest Limited/Mod Class Evo in Time Attack at BRP 13CW

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                      • #71
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                        • #72
                          ST2 corvettes are probably cheaper to run than most would guess. Once you get them set up properly that is. Obviously still way more than running a miata, but still doable for many people. Getting a car that is already setup for racing is key. You need good cooling (oil, tranny, diff), skf hubs, big brake kit with cooling, turn 1 ps pump, poly or spherical suspension bearings, wing/splitter, and good shocks. A dry sump will make your engine last multiple years and is worth the $3-5k investment IMO. My corvette came with most of this stuff for under $20k. But figure $30k for a race ready car with spares. Tires are going to be your biggest cost especially if you don't win contingencies. A set will cost you $1500 and you will need 1 set per race weekend. Brake pads last maybe 3 weekends and rotors can last a season. Front pads are around $300. With proper fluids and cooling, the drivetrain should last multiple seasons. Maybe a rebuilt clutch once every year or 2 and rebuilt diff/tranny every 2-3 years. Engine rebuild is around $5k and crate LS3 is around $6500 with intake manifold and throttle body. Gas is another big cost compared to miatas especially if you run or mix race gas. ST2 is cheaper than SCCA because you can run a stock engine on 91 pump gas. In SCCA you pretty much need a built engine on race gas to be competitive. SCCA is also more expensive because they spec out the parts you have to run rather than leaving them open like nasa does. Since nasa is power to weight if your engine makes less power then you just have to work on reducing weight. So a typical weekend:

                          Registration $350
                          Motel $150
                          Tires $1500
                          Gas $150 (triple for race gas)
                          Towing fuel $150-$200
                          Other consumables/misc repairs $300/weekend

                          Maybe $2500 per weekend? Obviously tires are the biggest variable. Winning tires or running more/less per weekend will greatly affect costs. It also costs a lot of money to acquire all the spares you need unless they came with the car (wheels, brake pads/rotors, hubs, tranny, diff, clutch, axles, control arms, fluids, etc etc). Corvette guys feel free to add to or correct any of my figures which are just off the top of my head.

                          But if you consider these cars are typically among the fastest production based cars at the race track the costs are pretty low.
                          Last edited by redtopz; 01-19-2015, 09:44 AM.
                          99 C5 corvette SCCA GT2
                          99 Supermiata "Super"

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                          • #73
                            By my napkin, $2k a weekend in tires and drivetrain. Oy.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Jamz14 View Post
                              We run Toyo RR's . ..
                              So break down what you actually spend in a regional weekend for SCCA and NASA please. Actual costs for your team, not theoretical.
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                              Fuel for car
                              Fuel for tow rig
                              Fuel to transport crew, if any
                              Lodging
                              Meals
                              Consumables


                              Maybe throw in the total minutes of track time and minutes of racing
                              WWW.949RACING.COM
                              SuperMiata

                              Aside from their cost I never understood why people race them.
                              But obviously I just dont get it. -fatbillybob

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by redtopz View Post
                                . SCCA is also more expensive because they spec out the parts you have to run rather than leaving them open like nasa does. Since nasa is power to weight if your engine makes less power then you just have to work on reducing weight. .
                                you nailed it here. spec racing is not cheaper. never has, never will.

                                when everyone has the exact same parts. if you can spend extra $5,000 (polish, rebuild or just swap out parts till you get the one) to gain that extra 4 whp (in say a low hp Miata). it is worth it, because you are almost guaranteed a front running. $5k is nothing is grand scheme of things, look at how much you spend in a season.
                                S1 Supermiata - 220whp
                                13 Tesla, ma: no engine !!
                                17 GT350R
                                03 Miata Club Sport
                                96 NSX
                                06 EVO MR
                                15 Mini Cooper S
                                Beck 550 Spyder

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