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    Does this video really need to be nearly 20min? Too long and boring, can you tell us what happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_5 View Post
    Does this video really need to be nearly 20min? Too long and boring, can you tell us what happened?

    Numbers page at 14:00.


    Conclusion: holy **** it's way worse than I thought it would be

    Also, the charger stations need to see your credit card every 30 minutes. So you can't even go to lunch without coming back to feed the meter(charger).
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    Also I thought the video was fun and worth the watch in its entirety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    Numbers page at 14:00.


    Conclusion: holy **** it's way worse than I thought it would be

    Also, the charger stations need to see your credit card every 30 minutes. So you can't even go to lunch without coming back to feed the meter(charger).
    Thanks for the info.

    I've tried to watch a video or two by this guy in the past and he does the same thing. Goes on and on with a video that could be 1/4 as long containing the needed info and entertaining shots. He needs a producer to make make him edit the crap out of these. Sorry for the rant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_5 View Post
    Thanks for the info.

    I've tried to watch a video or two by this guy in the past and he does the same thing. Goes on and on with a video that could be 1/4 as long containing the needed info and entertaining shots. He needs a producer to make make him edit the crap out of these. Sorry for the rant.
    Youtube pays creators by the minute now, and longform content does have a surprisingly sizable audience. Try watching at 1.5x speed?

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    I thought about the problem recently, then I bought "cheap" EV for the city and keep my X5 for long trips and towing. Works better [for me] on all levels.
    OTOH, IF Tesla sells half a million model 3 in 1-2 years time, the situation with the supercharging stations will change completely. Only time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawareca View Post
    I thought about the problem recently, then I bought "cheap" EV for the city and keep my X5 for long trips and towing. Works better [for me] on all levels.
    OTOH, IF Tesla sells half a million model 3 in 1-2 years time, the situation with the supercharging stations will change completely. Only time will tell.
    Yeah, short range EV for city use + ICE engine for distance is a great solution. You can even get it in the same car (volt).

    If tesla sells a ****load of model 3, it wouldn't surprise me if they dramatically expand their supercharger stations. It is a massive market advantage and they want their owners preaching the gospel.
    Might get wild at the stations at christmas and thanksgiving though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post

    If tesla sells a ****load of model 3, it wouldn't surprise me if they dramatically expand their supercharger stations. It is a massive market advantage and they want their owners preaching the gospel.
    Might get wild at the stations at christmas and thanksgiving though.
    Quoting Bob Lutz not for a first time:

    "C/D: Will Tesla still exist 20 years from now?

    BL: As it is presently, no. As they say, “Socialism is great until they run out of other people’s money.” Tesla burns cash. It’s not a car company, it’s a cult of fanatics who think Elon Musk can do no wrong. But financially, it doesn’t work."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bawareca View Post
    Quoting Bob Lutz not for a first time:

    "C/D: Will Tesla still exist 20 years from now?

    BL: As it is presently, no. As they say, “Socialism is great until they run out of other people’s money.” Tesla burns cash. It’s not a car company, it’s a cult of fanatics who think Elon Musk can do no wrong. But financially, it doesn’t work."
    What's the socialism issue? the 8k off the car from the feds?

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    I dont necessarily share this opinion, but the part for the cult is kinda funny and truth, isnt it? I posted it because you mentioned the gospel

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawareca View Post
    I dont necessarily share this opinion, but the part for the cult is kinda funny and truth, isnt it? I posted it because you mentioned the gospel
    For sure, it's a lot more tech company than automaker. Reminds me of apple if apple actually did something interesting rather than gouge the technically illiterate.

    That's the thing with growth stocks, they might get huge or they might just vanish. But can you really argue with the success? Seems like Musk set out to change the world, and he's doing a damn fine job at that so far.

    I'm just not going to buy any of that stock.
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    I didn't watch the video.

    This is the reason Tesla 3 will be a success vs. Bolt. I am a sucker for EV yet I have very interest in Bolt.

    Tesla 3 can be your only car (because of Superchargers) whereas Bolt can't.
    Even driving Tesla over 250 miles a day in LA area is a non-issue, because there are Superchargers all over city.
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    Cant argue with the success of Tesla[so far], neither with Musk's genius. BUT, what works for a limited number of cars to be manufactured and be charged on the road, may not work for a mass production car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawareca View Post
    Cant argue with the success of Tesla[so far], neither with Musk's genius. BUT, what works for a limited number of cars to be manufactured and be charged on the road, may not work for a mass production car.
    That's what makes this so interesting to watch!

    I think the volt is an utterly brilliant solution that mops the floor with any EV on the market right now, provided you don't want a sports sedan.

    The thing that electrics have going for them is when you're not traveling, you're doing your recharging at home, not at a station. So you only really need stations on travel routes. And as luck would have it, real estate at truck stops is cheap. The only thing that gets scary is trying to supply power to a large recharging station at a truckstop.
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    On the topic of recharging, this vid was pretty fun. Check out the F1 sized refueling probe at 13:00, needed to go from 10-80% in 5 minutes and pass the 1575amps required to recharge a tesla sized battery that fast.



    There's also some math on the power substation you'd need to service a medium sized recharging center for example at buttonwillow or tejon pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bawareca View Post
    Quoting Bob Lutz not for a first time:

    "C/D: Will Tesla still exist 20 years from now?

    BL: As it is presently, no. As they say, “Socialism is great until they run out of other people’s money.” Tesla burns cash. It’s not a car company, it’s a cult of fanatics who think Elon Musk can do no wrong. But financially, it doesn’t work."

    If I were a long-term Tesla shareholder, which I am not, I would be very concerned that the large automakers would decide to get rid of the nuisance new competitor with some aggressive (read that as predatory) pricing on Bolts, Leafs, Volts, etc. and finish off the thinly capitalized Tesla.

    The more successful they become as a company the more of a threat they become and the more likely this is to happen. Short term Tesla has been an amazing stock for some and they have produced industry changing cars, but the auto industry is full of trendsetters who have burned their mark and then vanished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    What's the socialism issue? the 8k off the car from the feds?
    I think he is stating that, in a very simplified sense, socialism requires the re-distribution of wealth, but that it is ultimately so inefficient the pool of wealth becomes too shallow for anyone/everyone. Hello Caracas. Hello Havana.

    Of course, there is an equally simplified criticism of market capitalism regarding the extreme concentration of monopoly wealth, the unpaid costs of market externalities (e.g., pollution), and the eventual reduction in aggregate demand/GDP. Hello Mumbai, Hello Manila.

    Both arguments, of course, ignore the success of reasonably well managed mixed economies such as socialist Scandinavia or capitalist economies such as Australia or Switzerland. And "if man does not live by bread alone":

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Caboose View Post
    I think he is stating that, in a very simplified sense, socialism requires the re-distribution of wealth, but that it is ultimately so inefficient the pool of wealth becomes too shallow for anyone/everyone. Hello Caracas. Hello Havana.

    Of course, there is an equally simplified criticism of market capitalism regarding the extreme concentration of monopoly wealth, the unpaid costs of market externalities (e.g., pollution), and the eventual reduction in aggregate demand/GDP. Hello Mumbai, Hello Manila.

    Both arguments, of course, ignore the success of reasonably well managed mixed economies such as socialist Scandinavia or capitalist economies such as Australia or Switzerland. And "if man does not live by bread alone":

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    Well sure socialism has big issues, but I was wondering how does it applies to Tesla and not other car companies?

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