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    Default ZR1 vs. GT-R at Streets of Willow

    And some other tests...

    [YOUTUBE]mC-PQca6FJU[/YOUTUBE]

    Direct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC-PQca6FJU

    GT-R- 1:25.09
    ZR1- 1:23.87

    Edit- another test http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...gtr/index.html
    Last edited by imager993; 10-29-2008 at 01:16 AM.
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    And....

    1.) Price difference? 30-40K?? Add that mods to GTR and compare again.
    2.) 4 VS 2 seat?
    3.) Tires?
    4.) I can guarantee the same test by the Japanese will have totally and surprisingly different results, lol~we all know how that works.
    5.)I wanna see on board videos.
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    the gtr looks like a turd.... kinda like my car
    driving cars n stuff....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nils View Post
    the gtr looks like a turd.... kinda like my car
    You sir, have a good looking turd

    Have you gotten the chance to drive one yet?

    I'd like to see a C6Z vs. GT-R comparison, now that'd be a close one
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    Actually on the tire front I think the Dunlops on the GT-R are treadwear 140 vs 200 for the Michelins on the ZR-1.

    Ultimately, you just can't hide the 500 pounds extra weight of the GT-R.

    And the price difference is closing; with the new higher GT-R prices I think it's only $19,000 in difference.

    I would also like to know if the GT-R is being tested with VDC on, since high performance driving with VDC is the basis of Nissan voiding warranty claims on transmissions, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveLevin View Post
    Ultimately, you just can't hide the 500 pounds extra weight of the GT-R.

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    +1. It's just stupid that the GT-R weighs 3800 lbs.

    Remember, the three basics of roadcourse performance are acceleration, braking, and turning. Adding hp helps only one. Reducing weight helps all three.
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    I wouldn't say it drives like a game, but it drives with heft...it's not kart-like, that's for sure.

    As a day to day car...I'd love it if it weren't so ugly. Although let's be honest...you only put people you don't like in the back. And the ZR-1 looks just...badass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Tyler View Post
    I'd rather drive a real car than play Playstation
    What about Xbox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiataCharles_Hong_Kong View Post
    And....

    1.) Price difference? 30-40K?? Add that mods to GTR and compare again.
    ....no, you pocked that 40k so that you have the cash to replace a couple transmissions when you blow them trying to duplicate those numbers and dont get any warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefrush View Post
    What about Xbox?
    meh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveLevin View Post
    Actually on the tire front I think the Dunlops on the GT-R are treadwear 140 vs 200 for the Michelins on the ZR-1.

    Ultimately, you just can't hide the 500 pounds extra weight of the GT-R.

    And the price difference is closing; with the new higher GT-R prices I think it's only $19,000 in difference.

    I would also like to know if the GT-R is being tested with VDC on, since high performance driving with VDC is the basis of Nissan voiding warranty claims on transmissions, etc.

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    altho tread wear doesn't really tell how sticky tires are, in this case, Dunlops are stickier tires, those Dunlops are 200 vs Michelins 220 (not 140 vs 200)

    however, look at the sizes difference, ZR1 has 285/335 and GTR has 255/285

    the price difference are more like $115k vs $83k if you are not counting unpredictable markups, just base price + tax, then it's $32k difference

    EDIT: price edited, thanks Oli
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaku View Post
    the price difference are more like $123k vs $80k if you are not counting unpredictable markups, just base price + tax, then it's $43k difference
    Actually the base price of the ZR1 is $106k if you don't want the extra styling crap like a leather wrapped instrument panel, etc. That probably just adds a few pounds anyway.

    Not that I plan to buy one, but I would love to put some Hoosier A6s on that car and go see what it can do. Sub 1:20 no doubt on SoWS. Probably under 1:52 at BW 13 and around 1:25 on WSIR if you don't have the seat heaters on....

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    The GT-R's tires read 54 on a durometer, whatever that means.

    Quote Originally Posted by zjchaser View Post
    ....no, you pocked that 40k so that you have the cash to replace a couple transmissions when you blow them trying to duplicate those numbers and dont get any warranty.
    Ouch!



    I'm by no means a GT-R hater, but I think it's pretty lame Nissan won't cover any broken tranny's after disengaging the VDC. I remember when Jay Leno reviewed the car, one of the guys at Nissan gave Jay the OK to disengage the VDC! Whack!
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewdruiz View Post
    I remember when Jay Leno reviewed the car, one of the guys at Nissan gave Jay the OK to disengage the VDC! Whack!
    "Whack!" Do you mean it broke?

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    is there an official words from Nissan that turning off VDC will void warranty?

    or this is just based on those dumbass launching the car 20~30 times a night?

    and in fact GTR is not that slower when the VDC is on, probably 1s slower on a 2 mins course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olitho View Post
    "Whack!" Do you mean it broke?
    Sorry, it's just slang. It pretty much means unfair, lame, etc.

    In regards to VDC...



    From the owner's manual...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaku View Post
    is there an official words from Nissan that turning off VDC will void warranty?
    It is absolutely positively in the owner's manual. And dealers have been asked to have buyers sign a statement that they have been made aware of that fact.

    And I can affirm that there is a standing service procedure to dump ECU values if a customer brings a car in with a driveline issue, and if the ECU indicates that VDC has been turned off with more than 40% throttle the case is to be referred to the regional office for approval. (in other words, dealers are not to assume that Nissan will pay for the repairs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewdruiz View Post
    And some other tests...

    [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC-PQca6FJU[/YOUTUBE]

    Direct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC-PQca6FJU

    GT-R- 1:25.09
    ZR1- 1:23.87
    From the video, they didn't use the hairpin in turn 3, they used bypass/blowpass (whatever it's called) -bypassing the original track/hairpin.


    Oh, I just changed my transmission fluid the other day:

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