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    Default Why shouldn't I buy an RX-7 race car?

    I'd like to be able to do W2W, whether it be NASA/SCCA or more likely informal racing with HPDE orgs or clubs, etc. I've considered caging up my 91 Miata, but it's a really good street car/occasional track day car, and I think that's the best place for it.

    So I come upon a well sorted, race-prepped '86 RX-7. 13b seems very healthy. The owner is "one of us" so I believe it's a good car that's been well taken care of. To make it even sweeter, he's interested in trading for my Miata plus some cash to me.

    So, why wouldn't I trade+cash for a fully sorted car with 40% more power?

    Biggest con I can think of is I'll need a trailer and storage space b/c it ain't streetable.

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    I love first gen rx7 (up to 85). Had one in early years. Reliable cheap cars. But really loud
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    I love first gen rx7 (up to 85). Had one in early years. Reliable cheap cars. But really loud
    Yea I think the reliability is underrated. This is a 2nd gen, by the way, but I think the same holds true.

    Edit: And yes it's loud as f$%k

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    William, no need to get misty eyed.. going from a Miata to FB will feel terrible, the suspension, steering and brakes feel like crap in comparison.

    Adam, have you driven an FC?
    Going to FC is better than FB, but the car is heavier and the rear suspension, while independent unlike the FB, is far from great.
    In NA form they are not particularly fast and given similar mods and prep level I'd put my money that an NB will be faster and more fun to drive, not to mention having far more support for the model in terms of track use.

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    Yeah, FC's are ok, and do handle ok. I personally like the FC better then the FB because parts are easier to come by.
    Easier to work on and maintain then a Miata and don't handle as well as a Miata and being that they are loud. You will have many stashes of ear plugs to deal with.

    But if you have a deal, you want to step into w2w. It sounds like a good thing. You will have just as much fun in ether car racing.
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    This car is about 200lbs heavier than my Miata and I know it won't have the same go-kart handling. But when I sat in the FC, I liked that there was some room to breathe in there.

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    I think those older RX-7'S are great race cars, and if you just want an HPDE "I can drive it at 130% of my ability and not worry about tearing it up" it is definitely a great choice.

    However, if you really want to W2W, just make sure that there are going to be folks to race against that are the same speed. In the SF Region of SCCA, for example, you can run the RX-7 in ITA, but even with the large ITA fields you may struggle to find someone in your "zip code" as even a Vadim Kogay-driven ITA Miata is likely to be a second or two a lap faster than you -- so by lap 6 he'll be able to spin, get the car going again, and STILL be in front of you.

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    I saw a green NB SPM for sale, that makes a lot more sense.

    If you want to go to the dark side, I'd look at FCs over FBs. I've raced against FBs and they just look like a handful to drive fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveLevin View Post
    However, if you really want to W2W, just make sure that there are going to be folks to race against that are the same speed.
    ^ This.
    If you have no one to race with w2w is just a very expensive HPDE.

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    The FC RX7 is actually a great racecar, I used to have one. It can run in SCCA ITE class in fairly stock trim, but can also fit into STU, EP, GT3, GT2 with varying levels of trim. EP is probably one of the most popular SCCA classes these days, looked like there was around 15 cars this past weekend at Buttonwillow which is pretty healthy. In NASA it can fit in whichever of the PT classes.

    Parts are really cheap overall and the 13B in non-turbo form is pretty indestructible.

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    If you're going to the trouble of buying another race car, and you want people to race with, why not consider a Spec Miata?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucfbrett View Post
    If you're going to the trouble of buying another race car, and you want people to race with, why not consider a Spec Miata?
    My understanding is that to be competitive in Spec Miata would be a hell of a lot more expensive than being competitive in many other classes. The FC RX-7 appears to fit into SCCA ITS or EP and NASA PTE or even the new Boneyard class. I couldn't find anything on ITE ... Hakeem perhaps you can enlighten me?

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    Out of curiosity, wouldn't many FCs begin to fall under vintage racing?
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    ITE is a catch all class (which IIRC is regional only), home to monstrosities that don't have any other class to play in.
    EP is going to be expensive.

    Easiest way to look at it is to see what lap times the car runs at which track and compare them with track records of the class you intend to run in, should be pretty easy to tell whether you have a fighting chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Force McCocken View Post
    Out of curiosity, wouldn't many FCs begin to fall under vintage racing?
    Looks like VARA ends at 1979.

    Moti, I will do my research.

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    Parts may also be an issue. If you look at when the production of your car started and ended, then look at you '91 Miata. You should be able to find production numbers too. It helps give you a broad view of the picture when you need to make repairs.

    One car I had was a '91 Escort GT...sexy, I know. Anyways, I had 5 different models from two manufacturers to choose from (Mazda 323, Protege, MX3-Ford Escort, Mercury Tracer) on the same chassis, 3 manufacturers for engine and transmissions (Ford, Mazda, Kia), one manufacturer for body panels with large, virtually unchanged sheet metal across the board. It was was semi-competitive in ITA, but the Hondas routinely crushed me. Even discovered the successor (Ford ZX2) had many suspension parts that would transfer over. Even base-model cars found at the breaker could hold valuable parts for pennies on the dollar. With Mazdaspeed's development of the platform, then Ford's ZX2 showroom stock club racer, it was an underrated car and extremely affordable to keep on the track. I may or may not have partially contributed to some of the Mazdaspeed requirements about the Ford exemption (which was bypassed using a VIN from wrecked Protege LX).

    The VWs were a good match for me and gave me a lot challenging events. Point here, car doesn't have to be sexy just somewhat competitive and cheap to keep on the track. You still get a lot of good experience running mid-pack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agershon View Post
    My understanding is that to be competitive in Spec Miata would be a hell of a lot more expensive than being competitive in many other classes. The FC RX-7 appears to fit into SCCA ITS or EP and NASA PTE or even the new Boneyard class. I couldn't find anything on ITE ... Hakeem perhaps you can enlighten me?
    I'm not just trying to sell my car but why not race SPM? Fields are getting bigger and the spec tire is hard to beat for price and longevity. Look at which tires classes run and see how much those cost, how long they not only last but how long are they competitive. The tire issue is a big reason I left PTE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbird View Post
    ITE is a catch all class (which IIRC is regional only), home to monstrosities that don't have any other class to play in.
    EP is going to be expensive.

    Easiest way to look at it is to see what lap times the car runs at which track and compare them with track records of the class you intend to run in, should be pretty easy to tell whether you have a fighting chance.
    Sorry, I meant ITS not ITE. The FC fits into ITS and is very competitive there. ITE is kind of a mess, as you mentioned.

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    be careful what class you choose. Spec Miata is always a safe bet, but can be costly to run in the front. SuperMiata is cheap and exciting (they race on many tracks and have great BBQ !!), and pretty good field. but it is California only.

    don't forget in a field of say 4 cars (pretty common these days). 1 noobs, 1 is mid packs, 1 is competitive. say you are the 4th driver. depending on your skill, you will be racing with 1 other driver. one of you have a slight off, slight mechanical, slight hiccup. you will be HPDE'ing rest of the race.

    in a field of say 7 cars (decent size). 2 noobs, 2 mid packs, 2 competitive. say you are the 7th driver. you will be racing with 2 other drivers. Again, if one is say 1/2 second faster than you. race will be over in 4 laps. you will be lucky to have 1 to race with.

    early in the year, if there is a field of 10 cars. by September, it will be down to 5 cars, runs out of money, cars breaking, family thing..........

    again. don't try some special obscured class if you want to have w2w fun. any field less than ~7 cars are really just glorified HPDE but x3 the budget.
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    ^^Very accurate description of club racing.
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