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    Quote Originally Posted by hakeem View Post
    You should really check out Bob Sacamano's car when you get a chance. Thing is a beast and definitely fits the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savington View Post
    You must have nothing to do tonight.
    This is what happens when you get married and have kids. You still have time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebruner View Post
    He is a member here, an SV regular, a constant FTD holder in BMW CCA Auto'x in SDR... IDK i guess i took it for granted that people would know the little people here that do a track day without complaining on the boards about something.
    Everyone on the internet does not know everyone in the real world . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Everyone on the internet does not know everyone in the real world . . .

    Yes, I of course learned that from Frankie Delano like the rest of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebruner View Post
    He is a member here, an SV regular, a constant FTD holder in BMW CCA Auto'x in SDR... IDK i guess i took it for granted that people would know the little people here that do a track day without complaining on the boards about something.
    Trackhq-ers still don't know Brent's name.
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    Yes they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucfbrett View Post
    Yes they do.
    Some do. Some don't. Some call you Brent because they don't know your name is Brett. Some call you Brent for fun even though they know your name is Brett. From now on, I am going to call you Alice. You walked into this one, Alice . . .
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    I went 1:59.40 last November on a very low budget set up in my daily driven street tire Evo 9.

    Used Evo IX nowadays fetches as low as $12,000 (really depends on condition and mileage though)
    Stock Aero, motor, turbo, cams, etc.
    E85 tune - $500.00
    Down Pipe $175.00
    Test Pipe: $65.00
    Used Exhaust: $200.00
    3 Port Boost Controller $75.00
    Bigger Injectors - 500.00
    Upgraded Fuel Pump - $90.00
    JDM Rear Diff Mod - $200.00
    Used Rear Sway Bar- $100.00
    Stock front sway bar
    Rims and Tires - $2000.00
    Decent Coil Overs with proper spring rates and alignment for rotation $2000.00 (Could get it for less if coil overs are used)
    Whiteline Roll Center Correction kit, Trailing Arm Bushings, and Bump Steer Correction $500.00

    So in Theory, with an Evo 9, you could do it for less than 18K if you got a Evo that is not in the best of condition, some used parts, and do most of the labor yourself.

    Not bad for a daily with four doors!
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    1992 325is (same as M3)- $1200
    Crashed M3(or used engine,diff,suspension and brakes) $4000
    Suspension overhaul+coilovers- $2500
    Engine mods to make it reliable for the track- $1000
    Tires & wheels $2000
    Aero $1000
    Good driver $priceless
    Sub 2 minutes- $11,700
    Similar $$ if you start with E30,but E36 is more popular and needs less mods.There is a Canadian BMW club racer with E36 with S54 that was down to #2200 dry weight.

    1992 325is $1200
    Used M3 tranny,diff,brakes $1200
    E46 M3 engine(S54,300 whp stock,330whp w bolt ons&flash) $6000
    Suspension overhaul+decent coilovers $3500
    Apex ARC8 17x10.5 NT01 275/40/17 $2100
    Aero $1500

    That would be a sub 1:55 car in the right hands-$15,500
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    Quote Originally Posted by bawareca View Post
    Good driver $priceless
    I kind of assume that the minimum qualification would be "red group level" driver.

    On the other hand, you probably should have added, "Free mechanic".
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbillybob View Post
    One of these days after an event is over I want to race Emilio on my road bike on 13CW.
    You're on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5:04 View Post
    You could build an e36 M3 to do sub 2's on street tires for under 20k and be very reliable with a full interior and still look like a street car without a massive GT wing and splitter. With Wing and splitter it'd be possible to do a 58 in the right conditions.

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    I know you mentioned only bolt on's, but if you're willing to swap to an SR then an S-Chassis car could probably do a sub 2 for around 17-18k as well.
    Let's talk S-chassis for a little bit. Purchase price anywhere from $1500 to $5k.

    You can make ~350+whp on a stock-bottom-end KA-T. Why bother with an SR? Figure $4500 for the turbo setup, head hot-tanking and gaskets.

    I have very little money in weight reduction: still run uncut steel doors with manual regulators, full glass, and still have functional Silvia headlights, turn signals, bumper supports (not factory, but my front nets me no weight loss) and steel front fenders and my car is 2450lbs with driver. Turbo, with front mount, would be about 2510lbs, although it'd have something like 58% of the weight up front. Toss on a set of Fortune Auto coilovers ($1499), some adjustable arms ($2409 and includes a switch to S14 subframe if running an S13 like I am) and 18x10.5 RPF1s with 285s ($1300 in tires, $1700 in wheels) all around and you could be pretty quick. Overfenders could be bolted on so the thing didn't look like a redneck special. Total investment: $~17k or so. I have significantly more in mine, and I'm certain it's capable of running sub 2:00 laps, although whether or not I am would be the real question.

    Between your post and bawareca's, you guys are making me want to take my $3250 '96 M3 and see if I can break 2:00 for under $10k. Too bad it's my daily.
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    Why spend all this time/money/effort to make a car run 1:5x on street tires, when you can just buy a scrub set of A6's for $200 and run 1:5x with what you have? Seems silly to modify the car to be fast at the track and then run street tires, when sticky tires are the best bang for the buck and you can still keep your car basically stock. Just a thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by redtopz View Post
    Why spend all this time/money/effort to make a car run 1:5x on street tires, when you can just buy a scrub set of A6's for $200 and run 1:5x with what you have? Seems silly to modify the car to be fast at the track and then run street tires, when sticky tires are the best bang for the buck and you can still keep your car basically stock. Just a thought...
    You mean the tires tha make even a slow dweeb like me feel like I can drive like Aryton Senna?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redtopz View Post
    Why spend all this time/money/effort to make a car run 1:5x on street tires, when you can just buy a scrub set of A6's for $200 and run 1:5x with what you have? Seems silly to modify the car to be fast at the track and then run street tires, when sticky tires are the best bang for the buck and you can still keep your car basically stock. Just a thought...
    I asked about street tires, because:
    1. My question was about cars. not tires. I already kinda know if a car can do 2:00 with RS3, it will probably do 1:57 with R6, for example.
    2. 90%+ here have experience with good street tires on track. .
    3. less than half (if I had to guess, I would say 10%) Trackhq'ers have experience with fast R-comp tires like A6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    I asked about street tires, because:
    1. My question was about cars. not tires. I already kinda know if a car can do 2:00 with RS3, it will probably do 1:57 with R6, for example.
    2. 90%+ here have experience with good street tires on track. .
    3. less than half (if I had to guess, I would say 10%) Trackhq'ers have experience with fast R-comp tires like A6.
    I see . I have only been on street tires a few times not including lemons racing. I'm surprised the RS3's are that fast. I drove a friend's mustang with them at Sonoma and the car pushed like crazy. But it might have been due to other factors. I forget that most people are doing hpde on street tires. I remember another friend in a C6 was doing that for a couple years on stock runcraps and when he put on some R6's he picked up 10 seconds at Thunderhill.

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    2:00 @ BRP 13CW

    $2500 94-95 Miata w/Torsen
    $1700 99-00 rebuilt Miata engine from shop in Chatsworth, CA
    $500 225/45/15 BFG Rival
    $500 15x9 wheels
    $1300 Tein Flex coilovers
    $70 Cone filter and intake tube
    $750 Web cams
    $425 Racing Beat header
    $500 header back exhaust
    $550 7's Only FRP top, lexan windi (soft top removed)
    $550 DIY PnP ECU
    $9400

    Car is about 2250# to start with. Should make about 170whp on E85

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    For someone like me who doesn't have a truck and trailer (yet), it's rather nice to have a car that I don't have to worry about swapping wheels at the butt crack of dawn, and just arrive and drive.

    I run R-S3, and they are a great tire, but heat is their enemy. I would like to get some Hoosier's though and start knocking off some of those NASA TT2 records

    Maybe next year.
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    1:26.82 @ WSIR - 10/12/14 (400whp, NT01)
    1:22.7X @ SOW CW - 7/31/14 (400whp, NT01)
    1:21.6X @ SOW CCW - 7/30/14 (400whp, Nt01)
    2:00.01 @ CVR CW - 9/28/13 (350whp, RS3)
    1:48.22 @ ACS - 11/23/13 (400whp, RS3)

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    [QUOTE=emilio700;108943]2:00 @ BRP 13CW

    $2500 94-95 Miata w/Torsen
    $1700 99-00 rebuilt Miata engine from shop in Chatsworth, CA
    $500 225/45/15 BFG Rival
    $500 15x9 wheels
    $1300 Tein Flex coilovers
    $70 Cone filter and intake tube
    $750 Web cams
    $425 Racing Beat header
    $500 header back exhaust
    $550 7's Only FRP top, lexan windi (soft top removed)
    $550 DIY PnP ECU
    $9400

    Car is about 2250# to start with. Should make about 170whp on E85



    Tempted to do this to my NA!
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    1:46.3X @ BRP CW13 - 11/12/15 (400 whp, TD )
    1:26.82 @ WSIR - 10/12/14 (400whp, NT01)
    1:22.7X @ SOW CW - 7/31/14 (400whp, NT01)
    1:21.6X @ SOW CCW - 7/30/14 (400whp, Nt01)
    2:00.01 @ CVR CW - 9/28/13 (350whp, RS3)
    1:48.22 @ ACS - 11/23/13 (400whp, RS3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    You're on.
    Watch out for Emilio! He looks deadly serious on his bike. I actually noted his shaved legs on the last picture that I saw of him on his carbon fiber road bike. But then again, that could simply be due to the fact that he is a Miata guy!

    Anyway, I seriously doubt anyone will beat Emilio, but it could be a real hoot.

    So, how many laps? I would think a minimum of three laps, for a 30 minute to 45 minute bell curve. - with a 20 second handicap for every year over 41 years old? Why 41? Ask Chris Horner, the most successful American pro cyclist in 2013 (see link at bottom). And maybe a 5 minute penalty for shaved legs?

    All entries pay $5.00. Everyone over the average time gets their money back and their pro-rata share of the remainder. Everyone who finishes under the average has a good time and a chance for revenge at the next annual No-Moto Grand Prix.

    btw: Could be good if 949 Racing can provide a cost shared trailer for guys that can't find room for their bikes.

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