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    Default what's least you can spend on a street tired car that will do sub x.xx at BW13 ?

    what's least you can spend to build a street tired car that will do sub 2.00 at BW13 ?
    what's least you can spend to build a street tired car that will do sub 1.55 at BW13 ?

    1. don not include cost of safety equipment.
    3. no free car from junkyard, and dropping in that $300 LS1 engine. spend 500 hours of your free labor. that don't count. it has to be a regular clean titled car. using market price.
    4. for mods: just I/H/E mods. don't say you can build a $500 turbo, turned up to 50psi for 1,000whp !!
    5. car needs to be somewhat track reliable. see #4, so no turning up boost to 50psi.
    6. calculate $ using market price for a new modding part. so $800 for MS2 ECU, not $150 diy MS ECU.
    7. using stock weight please. I am sure a stock powered Miata can do sub 1.55 minutes if it is stripped down to 1,000LB.
    8. no cars older than 1990.

    example would be:
    01 s2000 - $13k
    Tein suspension - $2,500
    17x9 wheels - $1,000
    Rival tires - $1,000
    intake - $100
    ecu reflash - $500
    wing - $700
    splitter - $200 (some diy, but this is expected)

    this would be ~1:58 car ? at a cost of ~$20k.
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    C5 or C5z06 on hoosiers should do the job I think. $15K? $10K for a ratty c5? plus $1.5K in tires?

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    I assume by street tire you mean 140+ treadwear and not "DOT legal" tires?

    Edit: that said, I can't imagine how a C5 with aero on wide RS3 could not easily break that barrier.
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    Ryan Passey's car is the most economical way to break 2 mins at brp that I am aware of.

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    A frugal clone of Damien Cook's or Darin's (at Westside Alignment's) cars - with a driver to match:

    Civic with a built B-series.

    Honda Civic Buttonwillow 13CW Open Test Day 10/12/12 - YouTube
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    an '01 s2k can't do an ecu reflash

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhouck View Post
    I assume by street tire you mean 140+ treadwear and not "DOT legal" tires?

    Edit: that said, I can't imagine how a C5 with aero on wide RS3 could not easily break that barrier.
    I also believe C5 is probably is going to be the cheapest way to get to sub 1:55 with street tires.
    C5 z06 - $20k
    street tires - $1,500
    suspension - $3,000
    big wing - $800
    splitter - $300
    wheels - $1,200

    $30k for sub 1:55 ?
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    What about sub 1:50? Can anything do that on street tires? I guess something could with enough aero.

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    C5Z is all that comes to mind.

    Craving the roar of a V8, William?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redtopz View Post
    What about sub 1:50? Can anything do that on street tires? I guess something could with enough aero.
    just saw that you did a sub 1:50 at BW#13 last weekend !!
    though it was on A6, but that's still damn impressive......

    may be 200 more whp and more aero. with street tire to be able to go sub 1:50 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebruner View Post
    Ryan Passey's car is the most economical way to break 2 mins at brp that I am aware of.
    Believe it or not, some of us here have no idea who Ryan Passey is, or what kind of car he drives. Maybe you could clue us in?
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    One of these days after an event is over I want to race Emilio on my road bike on 13CW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Believe it or not, some of us here have no idea who Ryan Passey is, or what kind of car he drives. Maybe you could clue us in?
    http://www.trackhq.com/forums/members/thepass/

    owner and operator of this car... 1.6L turbo miata with a well sorted low dollar turbo setup on street tires.


    edit: now that I think about it, if you're going to remove safety gear from the equation that could be replicated for 5-7k.... and that includes the purchase price of the car.
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    Lots of fabrication and little things have been done by Ryan to make that rocket ship manage that time. I'm not saying it couldn't be replicated , but that machine is more than the $$$ put into it.

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    William, why #7?
    Trimming weight is one of the cheapest mods you can for the first few hundreds of pounds in most cars, not talking about carbon this and that, just pure disassembly and cutting out unnecessary stuff.

    Erik, if Ryan's car was to be replicated using shop hours it would probably be knocking on the door of $50K by now with the amount of time dropped into it.

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    You could build an e36 M3 to do sub 2's on street tires for under 20k and be very reliable with a full interior and still look like a street car without a massive GT wing and splitter. With Wing and splitter it'd be possible to do a 58 in the right conditions.

    LTW Wing
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    RS3's


    I know you mentioned only bolt on's, but if you're willing to swap to an SR then an S-Chassis car could probably do a sub 2 for around 17-18k as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Believe it or not, some of us here have no idea who Ryan Passey is, or what kind of car he drives. Maybe you could clue us in?
    I was about to post this exact same comment. Good work Sheriff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbird View Post
    Erik, if Ryan's car was to be replicated using shop hours it would probably be knocking on the door of $50K by now with the amount of time dropped into it.
    Yeah true but You could get to those similar lap times with a turbo 1.6 and aero work. Splitter and wing are pretty straight forward DIY. Flat underbody isn't but most likely not necessary to hit 2 flat on BRP. In addition... we can all agree that ryan is leaving some (most likely quite a bit) time on the table with his suspension setup which would make up for the lack of fabrication.

    Quote Originally Posted by hakeem View Post
    I was about to post this exact same comment. Good work Sheriff.
    He is a member here, an SV regular, a constant FTD holder in BMW CCA Auto'x in SDR... IDK i guess i took it for granted that people would know the little people here that do a track day without complaining on the boards about something.

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    It's trackhq we complain about everything. Even complaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebruner View Post
    i took it for granted that people would know the little people here that do a track day without complaining on the boards about something.
    You should really check out Bob Sacamano's car when you get a chance. Thing is a beast and definitely fits the bill.
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