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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbillybob View Post
    reliable = cheap in Ferrari world.
    Most reliable ever is the 328 and 550 in that order. But the newest one of those is 10+ years old.
    And the oldest of the two is 30 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbillybob View Post
    reliable = cheap in Ferrari world.
    Most reliable ever is the 328 and 550 in that order. But the newest one of those is 10+ years old.
    how are the 360 ?
    612 is also not much more than 550, how are they ?
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    I love the styling and panache of Maseratis in general, although the Ghibli is the one I'm not as much a fan of so far (from too many angles it looks like a Japanese car styled to look Italian). Financially, of course, any modern Italian car is a disaster, it's just the size of the avalanche that differs from model to model.

    I know it's on the verge of being "old" but the current Maserati GranTurismo, in the right colors and trim, to me, is a beautiful modern car. A true GT rather than a sports car.

    once you get away from new, then the alternatives abound. Used Masers, and within Ferraris (assuming 2+2 is an option) 612's are pretty, Ferrari-bulletproof, and have already depreciated badly (and many have just a handful of miles on them).

    If you step back to 550's, there's huge bang for the buck there -- I've seen nice 550's for well under $70,000 and you end up with a six speed and a V12. Not bad. But I can appreciate the desire for something where someone else (i.e. the manufacturer) is on the hook for issues... can't say I wouldn't do that myself.

    If you decide to go used Ferrari, definitely work with a well known broker/dealer. Not only will they be loathe to steer you into a bad car (they have a reputation to maintain), they also know of cars that are not on the open market, but the owner, if asked, could be interested in selling it. A lot of cars in the Ferrari world get sold that way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    how are the 360 ?
    612 is also not much more than 550, how are they ?
    360 like all the rest. They are real "toasters". Everybody has one. Many get passed around like $2 hooker with 6+ owners.
    612 not a fan of styling or 4 people Ferraris myself.
    A decent 550 will cost you 80K on the low end. Many with hidden issues at under 70. There is nothing more expensive than a cheap Ferrari. If you buy cheap you gotta know what you are buying and have excellent DIY skills or you will be putting your mechanic's kids through private school.

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    My neighbor has a Maseratti GT convertible and I will say it sounds spectacular when he fires it up in the morning. We walk past his house on the way to school and I think his garage amplifies the sound but, wow, it is wonderful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Are you sure the current M5 is available with a stick in the USA? I think not. Plus an M5 is at least $20,000- more than a Ghibli Q S4.
    I just spec'd one out on BMWUSA website. It offered a manual trans and was 99k. Not sure how much the Ghibili s4 is but I thought it would be more and also thought the m5 was less. A really low mileage used m5 is ~80k. Probably could get a CPO for that much. Just have to hunt a bit for stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ1 View Post
    I just spec'd one out on BMWUSA website. It offered a manual trans and was 99k. Not sure how much the Ghibili s4 is but I thought it would be more and also thought the m5 was less. A really low mileage used m5 is ~80k. Probably could get a CPO for that much. Just have to hunt a bit for stick.
    Finding a late-model M5 with a stick would be virtually impossible. I searched AutoTrader for 2011 to 2015 M5s with manual gearboxes and found exactly 3 for sale within 500 miles. There were more on the list, but sometimes the seller checks the box "manual transmission," but from the pictures you can tell its the no clutch pedal flappy paddle transmission. The prices for the 3 used manual M5s was about the same as a new Ghibli Q S4.

    That said, I went on the BMW website and "built" a new M5. Manual gearbox is a zero cost option. The car is a little over $100,000 with virtually no packages or options. So about $110,000- out the door with tax and license. More than I care to spend on a car, although I have to say it is tempting . . .
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    Richard,

    Since you have retired from racing, IMO the most important quality in your B-day purchase is that the new car have decent abilities on track for enjoyable casual trackdays. There is a lot of good that comes from a comfortable drive to the track on street tires, a day of play, an easy relaxing drive home, with only your helmet as investment in the sport. Many of us will head that direction but aren't ready to admit it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Finding a late-model M5 with a stick would be virtually impossible. I searched AutoTrader for 2011 to 2015 M5s with manual gearboxes and found exactly 3 for sale within 500 miles. There were more on the list, but sometimes the seller checks the box "manual transmission," but from the pictures you can tell its the no clutch pedal flappy paddle transmission. The prices for the 3 used manual M5s was about the same as a new Ghibli Q S4.

    That said, I went on the BMW website and "built" a new M5. Manual gearbox is a zero cost option. The car is a little over $100,000 with virtually no packages or options. So about $110,000- out the door with tax and license. More than I care to spend on a car, although I have to say it is tempting . . .
    I just looked up the Ghibili. Seems like its more of a M3/ M4 competitor. New M3 is 450lbs lighter, has 80 more hp, has 255/275 tires vs 235sq, comes with a manual trans option and has had wonderful reviews for 20k less. Maserati has Italian style but unfortunately Italian maintenance too. I know you have had a m3 before and might like something different but Im sure the only thing this car has in common with the e36 is the badge. By the way the m3 is 450lbs lighter. Worth mentioning twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Finding a late-model M5 with a stick would be virtually impossible. I searched AutoTrader for 2011 to 2015 M5s with manual gearboxes and found exactly 3 for sale within 500 miles. There were more on the list, but sometimes the seller checks the box "manual transmission," but from the pictures you can tell its the no clutch pedal flappy paddle transmission. The prices for the 3 used manual M5s was about the same as a new Ghibli Q S4.

    That said, I went on the BMW website and "built" a new M5. Manual gearbox is a zero cost option. The car is a little over $100,000 with virtually no packages or options. So about $110,000- out the door with tax and license. More than I care to spend on a car, although I have to say it is tempting . . .
    Perhaps drive them first and decide? I don't know, but vehicles in that price range, dealers may be willing to swallow the transport costs on a CPO to find one you like to make a sale in that price range? Hope you find something you really enjoy, whichever you choose!

    If what I read about the Ghilbi is accurate, it shares the same chassis architecture as the upcoming Chrysler 300, Dodge Challenger, and Dodge Charger.
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    [QUOTE=Force McCocken;121351If what I read about the Ghilbi is accurate, it shares the same chassis architecture as the upcoming Chrysler 300, Dodge Challenger, and Dodge Charger.[/QUOTE]

    No. It shares chassis architecture with the Quattroporte.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Finding a late-model M5 with a stick would be virtually impossible. I searched AutoTrader for 2011 to 2015 M5s with manual gearboxes and found exactly 3 for sale within 500 miles.
    Finding 3 in driving range seems to reduce the impossibility factor a little, surely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    No. It shares chassis architecture with the Quattroporte.
    Maybe check into that.

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    I doubt M3/M5 is on Richard's dream list.....
    they are good cars, but no passion, not sex on wheels. what middle aged men need !!

    I say a Ferrari 550, new C7 z06, Hellcat Charger. either a Ferrari or something with stupid power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    I doubt M3/M5 is on Richard's dream list.....
    they are good cars, but no passion, not sex on wheels. what middle aged men need !!
    A minivan with a Percoset/Viagra dispenser in the center stack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    I doubt M3/M5 is on Richard's dream list.....
    they are good cars, but no passion, not sex on wheels. what middle aged men need !!

    I say a Ferrari 550, new C7 z06, Hellcat Charger. either a Ferrari or something with stupid power.
    How may times do I have to say I am looking for a 4-door sedan, not a low-slung sports car. By the way, I'm barely middle-aged anymore. A lot of businesses give senior discounts to people 55 and over . . . That's kind of stupid, since you are in your prime earning years when you are 55.
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    Oy vey. I'm starting to cool to this car, now that I know it has a Chrysler-derived chassis, 4,135 lb. curb weight, flappy paddle transmission. I saw one on the street recently. Sure sounds great . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    By the way, I'm barely middle-aged anymore.

    Then maybe grandpa you should by this:
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    You've got to admit... no problems getting in or out (on or off?) of that one.
    Your back will love you for it!

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