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    Quote Originally Posted by Silversprint View Post
    . . . I hope the drivers family didn't see that happen from the paddock. It would be horrible.

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    Amen.

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    Does anyone have thoughts on why the fire is spread out over such a wide area? It appears that there are at least three areas with fire. One near his middle finger tip, one over his ring finger - and the large dark object at the far right?
    Not having seen this track - its hard for me to get a sense of how much distance is involved L to R...but it seems oddly widely distributed.




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    They hit a tire wall, if burning gasoline touched tires in a few places, that might get several fires going, particularly if tires got loose.

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    saw this video yesterday.


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    I was interviewed by a friend of mine who is an automotive journalist and accomplished amateur racer himself. After we discussed the main topic, he brought up this accident. I was unaware and we discussed instructing. He no longer does it for this reason. He was instructing for Dodge for many years, just saw too many friends injured or killed. It's sobering to me every time and my level of tolerance for any BS when I am in the right seat is very low. I have expressed this with others I instruct with and fortunately they have been very receptive.
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    Imo with data there is no reason to be in the right seat.
    But i commend you brave heros for doing it.

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    I believe you cannot replace the "personal" feedback with data, especially for a beginner/intermediate driver. That said I have removed my passenger seat and dont plan to be anyone's passenger on the track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbillybob View Post
    Imo with data there is no reason to be in the right seat.
    But i commend you brave heros for doing it.
    Typically, there is right-side brake for the instructor, and they like to give hand signals.

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    With modern technology there is no need for a passenger seat instructor.
    Real time video telemetry would allow the instructor to remain in the pits (or at home).
    Would also enable "ride along" in single seat formula cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rikgray View Post
    With modern technology there is no need for a passenger seat instructor.
    Real time video telemetry would allow the instructor to remain in the pits (or at home).
    Would also enable "ride along" in single seat formula cars.
    Maybe in a "Drive an Exotic" format - where the cost can be passed along in the price. I don't see how that could work in a HPDE format.

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    ...or simply don't place novices in 500hp+ super cars and expect them to safely navigate a course without any mistakes. And even more so when there are obstacles lurking within reach of the track surface (duh!).

    Why are there walls/barriers around race tracks? It boils down to something so simple; walls/barriers are erected in places we have the inclination they might be used. In effect, any wall/barrier(and obstacle) placed around a race track can and will probably be hit - simply by its existence.

    It's one of the universal laws of the race track... "It's there, therefore someone will hit it". There's no philosophical fluffiness there; it's logic and probability that racers and engineers know well.

    There's good reason why performance driving often takes place on skid pads and in vast parking lots with nothing but pavement for hundreds of yards. And there's good reason why cars frequently end up wrecked in the canyons.

    Duh.

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    Exotics Racing installs a brake pedal for the passenger (instructor) in every car. Speedvegas does not.
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    Aside from their cost I never understood why people race them.
    But obviously I just dont get it. -fatbillybob

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    I bet they do now if they survive the litigation....
    To the right of The Sheriff. Isn't everyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olitho View Post
    I bet they do now if they survive the litigation....
    I heard they have not.

    That track is also now (as of march) official top gear track of North America.
    Supermiata S1, SuperMiata S2, Supermiata S3
    13 Tesla, ma: no engine !!
    17 GT350 !!
    08 M3 - Carmax warranty !!
    96 NSX
    06 EVO MR
    15 Mini Cooper S

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