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    One of the guys at the local kart track swears that "trailbraking" is when you "push on the brake and gas at the same time".

    Is he out of his F*ing mind, or is this an accepted term in karting circles?

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    I use the parking brake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olitho View Post
    I use the parking brake.
    That would simulate go-kart brakes nicely.. but doesn't answer the question.

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    he will get the boot at dromo for doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlk_f1 View Post
    he will get the boot at dromo for doing that.
    Naturally. This was one of the staff. Miramar just got new karts and the context was he said the new karts "couldn't trailbrake since they have a system that disconnects the throttle when you press the brake".

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    Makes me sad.

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    they call that power brake, right?

    trail brake is when you are not braking with your steering wheel straight, so turning and braking at the same time lol

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    And here I thought it was when you could finally apply the brakes after going off and blazing your own trail around the track.

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    He meant trail breaking, not trail braking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaku View Post
    they call that power brake, right?

    trail brake is when you are not braking with your steering wheel straight, so turning and braking at the same time lol
    Ok, once translated that sounds about right.

    "trail braking is when you are braking with your steering wheel turned"

    The way you had it sounds like you aren't braking at all.

    But power braking rings a bell. Thanks Jaku, the guy working the kart track is indeed a moron.

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    what an idiot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaku View Post
    trail brake is when you are not braking with your steering wheel straight
    I think they also call this technique "crop dusting".

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    *sigh*


    Trail Braking is when you Trail off the Brakes. Trailing off = a gradual release of the brake pedal.

    Trail braking does not mean "braking + turning". That would be called: braking and turning. Trail braking is trailing off the brakes with a gradual release. It is entirely possible to brake and turn at the same time without trailbraking.




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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Tyler View Post
    It is entirely possible to brake and turn at the same time without trailbraking.
    Yes, they call that spinning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hakeem View Post
    I think they also call this technique "crop dusting".
    Actually, that is when you flatulate as you walk past a group of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Tyler View Post
    *sigh*


    Trail Braking is when you Trail off the Brakes. Trailing off = a gradual release of the brake pedal.

    Trail braking does not mean "braking + turning". That would be called: braking and turning. Trail braking is trailing off the brakes with a gradual release. It is entirely possible to brake and turn at the same time without trailbraking.



    But the technique of trailbraking is intended for use into a corner. Therefore you are turning while releasing the brake. The proper brake release always includes "trailing off" the brake pressure after your hard, initial brake pressure. But I wouldn't call that trailbraking. That's just how you need to release the brake no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MontinolaRacing View Post
    But the technique of trailbraking is intended for use into a corner. Therefore you are turning while releasing the brake.

    And if I understand correctly, there is an inverse relationship between the amount of brake pressure and steering input. In other words the more you steer the less you brake as you trail off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    And if I understand correctly, there is an inverse relationship between the amount of brake pressure and steering input. In other words the more you steer the less you brake as you trail off.
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    Is this really worthy of discussion? "Trail braking" means that you continue braking past turn-in to encourage the rear end to rotate and keep the front tires loaded. You are trailing your braking into the corner, hence the name "trail braking". Every time you ever brake you should trail off the pedal pressure as you either come close to stopping (like at a stoplight) or as you let off the brakes (like into a corner). This is especially important on a racetrack as letting off the brakes suddenly causes the front to lift up and transfer weight to the rear of the car suddenly and momentarily. That can cause corner entry understeer as the front tires become un-loaded right as you turn-in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    One of the guys at the local kart track swears that "trailbraking" is when you "push on the brake and gas at the same time".
    He must be right. He works at a karting shop, so he knows everything.
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