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    Quote Originally Posted by racebronco2 View Post
    I have heard that testing on the hans with a 2" shoulder belt. It seems that the 3" could side off in a roll over. The 2" is only to hold the hans in place,both belts then tie into a 3" belt. A couple of manufacturers already have then out. I talked to steve abbot about them couple of days ago and he mentioned that he's seen then at the shop where he bought his helmet.
    The HANS was designed around a 3" belt. The 2" belts came later by some of the harness makers.

    See this link:
    http://hansdevice.com/s.nl/it.I/id.4/.f

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    If I could do it over again:

    0. Replace all coolant hoses in engine bay. ALL of them. $100 + labor
    1. Full face helmet instead of open face $300
    2. Rollbar (for a hardtop) $500
    3. Driving shoe (my laces get caught around gas pedal when I heel-toe) $100
    4. alu racing seats with seat back braces $200 + $100
    4. schroth racing harness $350 (or latch and link for $80)
    5. arm restraint $20 (restraints are cheap!!!)
    6. hans w/ sliders $750
    7. firesuit $300
    7. gloves $100
    7. cool suit $400
    8. extinguisher & big beefy mount $150
    9. cage $1000-$4000
    10. window nets on both sides (remove restraints) $150
    11. hood $50?
    12. fuel cell $?

    Manly, a 3 layer suit buys you only 10 seconds of being able to think straight in a fire. How long does your car take to stop from 100mph? How long does it take to stop with a broken front suspension?

    a 1 layer suit without underwear gives you 5 seconds.

    William, I wore the fire gear from the start because when I started out this hobby, I got a chance to buy it all for awfully cheap. I felt that even though it was out of order, if I didn't wear the suit it would jinx me into getting burned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    William, I wore the fire gear from the start because when I started out this hobby, I got a chance to buy it all for awfully cheap. I felt that even though it was out of order, if I didn't wear the suit it would jinx me into getting burned.
    how did u ever guessed I was talking about u

    my list is almost exactly as Rob's. I would put crash protection over fire protection. but I would put cool suit higher on the list. I believe a cool temp keeps driver sharp.

    many have put cage very high on the list. cages cost $4-$5k installed. and makes the street car VERY impractical (if it was a race car, then no need for the order, as everything on the list are required).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olitho View Post
    The HANS was designed around a 3" belt. The 2" belts came later by some of the harness makers.
    see this page: http://www.schrothracing.com/product...profi/profi-II


    quote from Profi II-Y
    "Features a 3” belt over the body, and a 2” belt over the HANS® device"

    quote from Profi II- HANS
    "The Profi II-6 HANS is our most popular belt. It is the perfect solution for a touring car. It features the 2" lap Flexi Lap Belt, the T-bar sub strap and the HANS Specific 2"/3" shoulder belts. All points are wrapped in, so you can add almost any end fitting for your specific application.

    The HANS specific shoulder belts are designed to make HANS use safer and more comfortable. The belts start as 3" webbing at the cam lock, then after the length adjuster they are 2" webbing which fits completely on the HANS yoke. This gives you the optimal force distribution, entirely on the surface of the HANS. A standard 3" belt will work, however some of the load is not distributed on the HANS. This also can be a comfort issue with some of the webbing falling off the HANS.

    Another important feature of the HANS specific shoulder belts is the ability to move the anchor points towards each other to acheive the perfect installation geometry. This will help in the Post-Impact phase - very important in a roll-over situation as well."

    for Porsche GT3 belt:
    "They are available with Standard 3” shoulders or HANS specific 2”/3” in the colors shown below. Available with Pull-Down lap belts only."


    it seems for HANS, they recommended 2"
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    how did u ever guessed I was talking about u

    my list is almost exactly as Rob's. I would put crash protection over fire protection. but I would put cool suit higher on the list. I believe a cool temp keeps driver sharp.

    many have put cage very high on the list. cages cost $4-$5k installed. and makes the street car VERY impractical (if it was a race car, then no need for the order, as everything on the list are required).
    For me I only start making big heat fatigue mistakes when I wear the firesuit. It varies quite a bit from person to person though.

    One more thing. If I did it again, I would probably get the non-HANS harness for use with my HANS device. It's not going anywhere with my 3" belts.
    2" lap, 3" shoulders.

    That way the load is spread a little better for the drive home when I don't have the hans on. Also, hans-less drivers can drive my car.

    I would love to put the left and right window nets higher on the list. Nobody seems into installing them without cages though

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    So far mine has gone

    1. Full Face Helmet
    2. Harness and harness bar
    3. Suit
    4. Rollbar and seat together Where I am now

    5. will be helmet upgrade
    6. HANS
    7. Finish the cage
    8. Window net
    9. fire supression
    etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    see this page: http://www.schrothracing.com/product...profi/profi-II

    it seems for HANS, they recommended 2"
    HANS themselves designs and recommends 3" belts...I'm more inclined to listen to them about which belts to use with their device

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    Quote Originally Posted by hakeem View Post
    HANS themselves designs and recommends 3" belts...I'm more inclined to listen to them about which belts to use with their device
    I am opposite, I would listen to Schroth. as F1 and every top racing team uses them, and they have been around a LOT longer than HANS. They know their harness and safety. HANS people only know of a piece of plastic. great idea, but a simple one.

    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    I would love to put the left and right window nets higher on the list. Nobody seems into installing them without cages though
    agree 100%. I found that in at least 10 rolls I've seen so far, all drivers have been extremely lukcy that no one has had an arm flew out of a window and gotten smashed.

    issue is difficulty of installing windows net is w/o a bottom bar (as in a cage). if any one has a good idea, pls share it. some have suggested helmet net installed on the left. I wonder if that is safe ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    I found that in at least 10 rolls I've seen so far, all drivers have been extremely lukcy that no one has had an arm flew out of a window and gotten smashed.

    Half of Joe Drey went out the window when he rolled his Minicooper at Big Willow a couple of months ago, and he was killed. Don't know if a window net would have saved him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Half of Joe Drey went out the window when he rolled his Minicooper at Big Willow a couple of months ago, and he was killed. Don't know if a window net would have saved him.
    I thought that was exactly the reason u would want a window net on both sides.
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    ^^^ What I meant was maybe he would have been killed even if he wasn't ejected. His seat failed.
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    is it even possible to put a window net in a street car with no cage?
    driving cars n stuff....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nils View Post
    is it even possible to put a window net in a street car with no cage?
    I've been asking question about this. 2 solutions so far are:

    1. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...80&postcount=4
    but I don't see this on Teamtech's web site.

    2. http://www.teamtechmotorsports.com/safteynets/side.html
    something like this. 2 rear anchors around roll bar, 1 front anchors toward dash or door jamb area. they have a quick release.
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    Frankly I think the one thing everyone has forgotten is being in shape.

    If I by the end of the day you're crawling out of your car drenched in a puddle of sweat, its time to hit the gym.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    I've been asking question about this. 2 solutions so far are:

    1. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...80&postcount=4
    but I don't see this on Teamtech's web site.
    Its a special order. They have a special price for who orders the first one for a miata. PM me for details.

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