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    The answer is always Miata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_Se7en View Post
    The answer is always Miata.
    They're clearly saying its Camaro Z28 though....lol

    Wonder how much Chevy paid for those results. o_O
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    Motor Trend is a bunch of shills. Describing the US Alpha 4C as "super light"? Please. It's like they haven't driven an Elise, MR2 Spyder, 2-eleven, Exige, NA/NB Miata, Mono, X-bow, Atom, or any car made before 1980 before. I like my reviewers and journalists not to suffer from amnesia and to remember that factual statistics are not relative.

    TL;DW. Which car "won?"

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    They're clearly saying its Camaro Z28 though....lol

    Wonder how much Chevy paid for those results. o_O
    Evidently, Chevy has marketing through "journalists" down. Christ Harris disguised an advertisement for the Volt as a review. He even talked about leasing options! That is when I truly became disillusioned.

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    They didn't put A/C in that Camaro to reduce weight?

    Taking 50lbs off a 3800lb car is like flicking a fly off an elephant.

    Anyone want to buy a road car in California without A/C?
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    The Z28 is a badass drivers car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    The Z28 is a badass boaters yacht.
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    Interestingly, the only one of the top three cars, Z/28, 4C, and 911TT is offered with a manual gearbox -- the Z/28.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
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    Not really. It has an impressive amount of downforce that really makes the car stick in high speed corners. Very good tires, awesome brakes, great damping and body control, but surprisingly feels under-powered for how good the chassis is. The car is very neutral and fun to drive, you can back it into the corner on entry and drift it though any corner you want.. Imagine a long wheelbase S2000 with torque and aerodynamic downforce. It really is a great drivers car thats easy to drive with under or oversteer. I was impressed.
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    But it weighs 3,820 lbs. . . .

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    Not really. It has an impressive amount of downforce that really makes the car stick in high speed corners. Very good tires, awesome brakes, great damping and body control, but surprisingly feels under-powered for how good the chassis is. The car is very neutral and fun to drive, you can back it into the corner on entry and drift it though any corner you want.. Imagine a long wheelbase S2000 with torque and aerodynamic downforce. It really is a great drivers car thats easy to drive with under or oversteer. I was impressed.
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    So does a GTR...

    Your really don't feel the weight. The downforce, tires, and suspension really mask any feeling of weight. The car is really nimble, responsive, and light on its feet. Really well set up and an easy car to drive...

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    How much is Chevy paying you Billy?



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    I don't even drive for Chevy and it's that impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    I don't even drive for Chevy and it's that impressive.
    There's always next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    But it weighs 3,820 lbs. . . .
    And it costs about $75k for not having AC In the 21st century,there must be a smarter way to make a car fast

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    So does a GTR...

    Your really don't feel the weight. The downforce, tires, and suspension really mask any feeling of weight. The car is really nimble, responsive, and light on its feet. Really well set up and an easy car to drive...
    Your wallet will feel it after a track day. Tires, brakes, fuel--any consumable affected by weight. Is there a reason why the car weighs in at 3,800 lbs? I can stack two of my cars onto each other and they'd weigh less than that. My trailer/car combination weighs less than than.

    I just don't get it. The answer I most often hear is "safety standards." But I wonder if extra air bags, reinforced roof structure, raised body panels, and crumple zones really make up that large a difference. Does anyone know what happens if a manufacturer makes a car that performs poorly on safety standards? Are they taxed more or prohibited from selling it? Is the car classed in such a way that makes it prohibitive for consumers to own?
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    I think it has less to do with safety standards and more to do with consumer perception of what makes a Camaro a Camaro.

    Start with a huge V8 engine. Need a big transmission, driveshaft, and rear end to handle the power of that big V8. Then you need a stiff chassis to hold all that together, not be expensive, and used by other GM platforms. Then you need comfortable seats, a trunk, and all the electronics people require today.

    It's easy to say make it lighter but who is going to buy a 250hp 4cyl Camaro, with stripped interior, that is still slower than a 3800lbs V8 car.

    I think you have to take the Z28 for what it is, a really good engineering effort by GM for taking a heavy, street car, built for the masses and making it very fast.
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    I got to drive a students track prepped 2013 SS on R-Comps, Suspension, with an APR wing and front splitter. I was actually quite impressed with the car. Didn't feel heavy and was very predictable IMO. Car just did what you wanted it to do. Now would I buy one? That's a different story...
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    Its safety standards. Every year or two the bar is raised, and to meet them, it requires more strength, structure, and weight. To meet the standards and keep weight the same is ALOT more expensive than adding weight. That and larger wheels and brakes to stop the added weight, adds weight, and yes all the modern must have creature comforts all add up.

    Pretty much any car that's 10 years old would fail current safety standards and 20yo cars are death traps by comparison. So instead of demanding stricter drivers education and licensing driving is a right and our own stupidity is not our fault in today's society.

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    How was the visibility out of the Camaro? I saw one up close and it honestly looked like trying to see out of a mail slot.

    I like airy greenhouses and imagine I'd be claustrophobic in a Camaro.

    Also, let's face it- the high beltline of the Camaro lent necessity to the large wheels, not brake clearance. A Camaro would look hilarious on 17" wheels.
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