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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Flawed Poll. You left out the best choice -- used Honda S2000 . . .
    No one here disagrees that the S2K is a very good car but unfortunately the folks at Honda didn't like it enough to keep making it. Honda currently makes a bunch of crappy cars, they've lost their way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_5 View Post
    No one here disagrees that the S2K is a very good car but unfortunately the folks at Honda didn't like it enough to keep making it. Honda currently makes a bunch of crappy cars, they've lost their way.
    I'll drink to that. Sadly, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Flawed Poll. You left out the best choice -- used Honda S2000 . . .
    Richard, we don't need oranges in the apple crate. If you had to sell your used S2k and buy either a new FRS or a MX-5, which would it be?

    It does/did occur to me after posting, however, that it could have been interesting to include the 2015 Mustang:

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    I'm revising my vote to BRZ. It has a roof.
    Mazda released everything about the Miata except for the weight. That cannot possibly be a good thing. It's over 2,450 lbs, I'm calling it now.
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    I like a roof, but the FRS weighs over 2,800 lbs.

    Quote Originally Posted by SDSUsnowboards View Post
    I'm revising my vote to BRZ. It has a roof.
    Mazda released everything about the Miata except for the weight. That cannot possibly be a good thing. It's over 2,450 lbs, I'm calling it now.
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    And Mazda's corporate support is truly laudable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDSUsnowboards View Post
    I'm revising my vote to BRZ. It has a roof.
    Mazda released everything about the Miata except for the weight. That cannot possibly be a good thing. It's over 2,450 lbs, I'm calling it now.
    Only Toyota could make a sports car that small and that heavy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeindirt View Post
    Only Toyota could make a sports car that small and that heavy...

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    Toyota isn't so bad. Their last attempt was admirable. MR2 Spyder: Slightly larger dimensions than the Miata, but only 2,185 lbs whereas the Miata was 2,300. How they pulled it off I have no idea.

    Anyway, this Miata has the same dimensions as previous Miatas, the frame/tunnel sructure looks similar, the smallest wheels available are 16", no exotic materials are reportedly used, the body overall looks taller, and the trend has been for cars to become heavier because europoors can't be taught to look both ways before crossing the street. So, where is the miraculous weight loss going to come from? It ain't gonna happen.
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    Actually, its over 4 inches shorter overall.. 1/2 inch is in wheelbase...everything else basically the same.

    The suspension/subframes/power steering look lighter to my eye ... 2200# seems to be doable. Honestly I am not impressed at that weight, I was hoping for 2k, maybe they will do a clubsport...

    But until Emilio puts it on a scale we won't know....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDSUsnowboards View Post
    Toyota isn't so bad. Their last attempt was admirable. MR2 Spyder: Slightly larger dimensions than the Miata, but only 2,185 lbs whereas the Miata was 2,300. How they pulled it off I have no idea.

    Anyway, this Miata has the same dimensions as previous Miatas, the frame/tunnel sructure looks similar, the smallest wheels available are 16", no exotic materials are reportedly used, the body overall looks taller, and the trend has been for cars to become heavier because europoors can't be taught to look both ways before crossing the street. So, where is the miraculous weight loss going to come from? It ain't gonna happen.
    The spyder is close to the nc miata in dimensions. My grand touring nc was over 2500lbs. My similarly equipped spyder was 2225lbs, leather and 17inch wheels. The driveshaft, rear diff, longer exhaust,rollbar,rear trunk structure all add weight to the miata. However the miata chassis is much stiffer than the floppy spyder.

    The miata is more comparable to the frs than the spyder due to powertrain layout.

    I also dont think they can get the weight down to 2200lbs in a well equiped miata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDSUsnowboards View Post
    ......... the trend has been for cars to become heavier because europoors can't be taught to look both ways before crossing the street. So, where is the miraculous weight loss going to come from? It ain't gonna happen.
    Actually by the US safety standarts the car must protect a passenger who didnt put his seatbelt.The pedestrian standarts only add bulkiness(ugliness,too) to the front ends of the cats and probably a few dollars to the price.With all else said i agree.It is very hard to "gain" some lightness in a modern car without hiking up the price substantially,especially for a low-,mid-priced car.By far BMW is the only manufacturer to add lightness in a sports car over the previous model,that is for a $60+k car with CF roof,driveshaft,etc.But they got the Z3 design,ma have gotten some of the weight-savings trick,too

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    "well equipped" means something different when you're talking about a miata....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawareca View Post
    Actually by the US safety standarts the car must protect a passenger who didnt put his seatbelt.The pedestrian standarts only add bulkiness(ugliness,too) to the front ends of the cats and probably a few dollars to the price.
    Maybe weight too in this case, I think I've heard of hood air bags.

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    A few pounds possible,but nothing like a complete structural overbuilt.
    Most people,me included, dont realize how much the frame components strength has increased in the past few years.And that is where the real weight gain is coming from.Everything else is thinner and lighter and the cars still gain weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silversprint View Post
    However the miata chassis is much stiffer than the floppy spyder.


    That's probably it right there. The Spyder is floppier than an geriatric low on viagra.
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    i own a brz and an na miata with a vvt drivetrain and from my perspective, the cars are very different. i would guess the brz is faster stock than my miata is with a dozen mods. interesting topic.

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    OK. Just got back from Miatas at MRLS and I've got to say... the car looks a WHOLE lot better in person than it does in the glamour shots.
    (And we won't even talk about the Duran Duran crotch video/release party).

    I could have sworn there was a LHD car on display today, though I could have been imaging things.

    The front fenders actually remind me a bit of the Catfish car... slightly angular.
    And the front mouth-piece is a lot classier then it looks in the pics.

    Of course, it I could have driven off in any of the cars in the tent, it would have been the orange and black Super 20 NC from SEMA a few years back.
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    Good to hear from a "lucky dog" attendee.

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