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    Sad but smart. I would rather have Mazda around.
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    Do any current Mazda vehicles sell 100,000 units a year?
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    the 3 sold over 1M in the first 3 years...

    but I think the real deal is 100k on the tooling... a lot of cars use the same motor/block/head. Was the RX8 was the only rotory? if so that was ~200k over 9 years, ouch...

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    Seems like somehow Obama is to blame.

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    I would like to see a new sports car from Mazda but to me it doesn't have to be a rotary. I worked in little Mazda shop in college (almost all rotary work) and they are cool little engines but not emissions or fuel friendly.

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    I think i got this one for you....

    Obama = big government =emission requirements = ecobox = no sports car = no rotory......

    That bastard....

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    I'm no engineer, but I felt the company should have pursued a three-rotor engine. Last I read, Mazda was looking to enlarge the production two-rotor engine from 1.3 liters to 1.6, if I remember correctly. I don't know what happens in terms of emissions when jumping from two rotors to three, but I do know the three rotor engine makes at least a third more power.

    People bag on the Renesis because it gets such poor mileage, so I felt the big power of a three-rotor would make a car more fun, and make owners less likely to complain about poor fuel economy. It seems to me that a larger two-rotor engine would not have delivered much more power or fuel economy. Of course if it's solely an emissions issue, game over. Thanks Obama.

    They had three-rotor engines in Canada. Why not here?

    I still think Mazdaspeed should keep the Renesis current for motorsports applications.

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    Would have loved to see the 3rotor RX8's in the new USCC.

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    Regardless of what Mazda does to the rotary engine, 99% of the consumers don't understand it, think its weird and will buy a different car.

    Why can't Mazda just put the MazdaSpeed3 turbo in the a small RWD coupe with back seats and sell a winner instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.
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    The 2.3T was the one they should have put in the RX8 all along, they would've probably sold 10 times more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucfbrett View Post
    I'm no engineer, but I felt the company should have pursued a three-rotor engine. Last I read, Mazda was looking to enlarge the production two-rotor engine from 1.3 liters to 1.6, if I remember correctly. I don't know what happens in terms of emissions when jumping from two rotors to three, but I do know the three rotor engine makes at least a third more power.

    People bag on the Renesis because it gets such poor mileage, so I felt the big power of a three-rotor would make a car more fun, and make owners less likely to complain about poor fuel economy. It seems to me that a larger two-rotor engine would not have delivered much more power or fuel economy. Of course if it's solely an emissions issue, game over. Thanks Obama.

    They had three-rotor engines in Canada. Why not here?

    I still think Mazdaspeed should keep the Renesis current for motorsports applications.
    Didn't the renesis change either intake or exhaust to be on the top and bottom of the sandwich instead of the sides? Wouldn't that make a 3 rotor renesis impossible? Or does the plumbing go through the sandwich layers and make a 90* turn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    Didn't the renesis change either intake or exhaust to be on the top and bottom of the sandwich instead of the sides? Wouldn't that make a 3 rotor renesis impossible? Or does the plumbing go through the sandwich layers and make a 90* turn?
    No, both the exhaust and intake ports are still on the side of the engine. I think Racing Beat actually built a 3rotor Renesis engine.

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    Rob, the Renesis engine code is 13B-MSP which stands for Multi Side Port.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hakeem View Post
    Would have loved to see the 3rotor RX8's in the new USCC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    Why?
    Because they look kind of like big Miata's. And I really love Miata's.
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    I could live with this Mazda 3:


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    I think someone should just go straight to a premix 8 cylinder two stroke engine with big bad ass expansion chambers in a 1200 lb chassis.

    Here is a good start.

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    That's a wise move by Mazda. I'd rather they spend development money on a high-revving, powerful 4-banger like some of the Honda engines.

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    Nah, we don't need more lawn-mower engine powered cars. Hakeem will agree.
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