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    RTA's legacy is going to be the glovebox rule. Moti maybe you can start making RTA legal gloveboxes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbird View Post
    Funniest part about tech @ SLB was that after all the jokes about that stupid glove box rule, Ryan failed tech because of the glove box.
    Just get one of these and hand Tony some KY jellynitrile-glove-image-web.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by superpilun View Post
    RTA's legacy is going to be the glovebox rule
    You realize that Super Lap Battle is a Global Time Attack event and not Redline Time Attack, right?

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    Yes, but rta was the first time I heard of the glovebox rule. Maybe gta had the rule first I don't know.

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    I missed the days where limited class cars were street driven cars with interiors. Does SLB/GTA still require limited/street/enthusiast to drive on the street to the track?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    I missed the days where limited class cars were street driven cars with interiors. Does SLB/GTA still require limited/street/enthusiast to drive on the street to the track?
    Or pass CHP inspection for that matter I mean,if the class is named "street" it must be street legal.

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    AFAIK, nearly all Limited cars were trailered, and I saw many street class cars arrive in trailers too. I felt the odd-man out driving to the event. I don't think it should be a requirement to drive the car to the track - there's a lot of sensibility in trailering, even if the car is streetable, just for things like comfort for the drive to/from and having the peace of mind that the car has a ride home if there is an mechanical/incident.

    The biggest 'broken' part to me is the wildly open engine section of the rules. Unlimited is the only place where that makes sense, hence the name.
    The V8s bring along an all-new problem to that equation. You need the rules to allow wild motors/turbos even in street for a 4cyl to have a chance against a V8.

    I would like to see the allowable things in Street and Limited get tightened up on a bit, but in the areas that are disproportionate to the class - namely the motor category for both Limited and Street and aero for Street. I don't think it should matter how many cup holders you have. Whereas in talking with the cheif tech who is in charge of rules and future changes at GTA events, it sounded more like he was interested in requiring more interior bits in the future than in bringing some of the other areas that are out of proportion with the general spirit of the lower classes back into a more even level.

    WTAC does a better job with their rules IMO than the current crop of American Time Attack series. It would make more sense to look there for ideas on how to shape the rules better while still allowing the creative freedom and diversity that TA is so beloved for than to look to w2w rulesets that have entirely different things to achieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    I missed the days where limited class cars were street driven cars with interiors. Does SLB/GTA still require limited/street/enthusiast to drive on the street to the track?
    Hey i drove my car to the track and then back home. Limited AWD class. I have backseats, but pull them at the track. I even have a sunvisor and cupholders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure EvoIX View Post
    Hey i drove my car to the track and then back home. Limited AWD class. I have backseats, but pull them at the track. I even have a sunvisor and cupholders.
    Fastest car to have driven to/from the event by a good margin I believe.
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    literally most extreme dual purpose car. Can't get anymore crazy than this.
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    Thats awesome Zhong. I remember "back in the day" you had to drive limited & street cars from the hotel to the track. I'm all for trailering but mandating some street driving to the track for those classes really kept the spirit of TA IMO... Now it seems like limited cars are just as built as unlimited, and street class cars are more to what limited use to be and overall there are more dedicated track cars than street driven tuner cars.

    I enjoyed driving the silver Factor X Nsx and setting records in limited while bumping the subwoofer on the grid in a car that was driven to Cali from Vegas. I don't know what the right answer is but there does seem to be a shift from street cars to track only cars and am still on the fence about pushrod cars being allowed. Although I do really like LS FD RX7s... TA could shift to V8 swaps like Formula D because of their advantage.

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    The RTA events are little more grass roots with the majority of the cars (90%) being driven to and from the track.

    For GTA, Enthusiast Class is required to be registered and driven to the track. However, I know someone last year that ran GTA Enthusiast, but parked their trailer outside and drove the car in.

    Zhong's car is really more of a race car that happens to be registered. Real Streets cars have all their interior and A/C IMO haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johns_EvoIXSE View Post
    The RTA events are little more grass roots with the majority of the cars (90%) being driven to and from the track.

    For GTA, Enthusiast Class is required to be registered and driven to the track. However, I know someone last year that ran GTA Enthusiast, but parked their trailer outside and drove the car in.

    Zhong's car is really more of a race car that happens to be registered. Real Streets cars have all their interior and A/C IMO haha
    Hey, i still have power windows, power locks, power mirrors, power steering, abs, and GLASS. If its cold outside, i can turn on my heater and use defroster. Still have full weight doors. I even have a key to turn on the ignition. Some people are fancy now and have start buttons and skin doors. Hell even my front passenger seat is in.
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    Quit whining and get a cage already!
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    Aaaaand this is why the V8s will 'break' time attack:



    The guys over at Axis of Oversteer put that lap time into perspective:

    The lap shown is 1:29.8 but at the beginning of the clip, you see the lap before was a 29.6. Tommy Milner's talking his way through the lap, presumably he might do even better with full concentration.

    NASA held it's eastern national championships at Road Atlanta ealier this year and 1:29.8 would have been good for first place in TT2 by 1 second flat. TT2 is unlimited mods with an 8 to 1 weight to power ratio. Those are some wicked fast time attack cars on slicks.

    Need a BMW centric comparison? Epic's Randy Mueller driver of one of the fastest BMW club racers in the country won the GT4 championship and qualified with a 1:31.9.

    The Z06 with (presumably) streetable tires, sat-nav, air conditioning, built in data / video recorder and possibly even heated seats lapped sub 1:30 with a dude talking.

    OK the "dude" is one of Corvette's pro drivers but still, there's just no denying the Z06 is one sick, sick car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thepass View Post
    Aaaaand this is why the V8s will 'break' time attack:



    The guys over at Axis of Oversteer put that lap time into perspective:
    To put Apex's comments in perspective, the Z06 with a splash of gas and 190lb driver is around 5.7 lbs/hp, full Z07 aero kit making significant downforce, factory recommended track alignment and was wearing Michelin PSC2's, basically medium compound race tires. Give it the same lbs/hp as the winning TT2 car and A7's, same driver and I think you would have a fair fight. Conversely, let the TT2 guy run his high power ECU map and pull ballast, you get the idea.

    Yah it's hellishly fast for a production car but there is no magic. It has a huge engine with a huge supercharger, big wings and race tires.
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    Emilio, what you reckon my car could do there? 1:30-1:31? Give or take a 1-2s. Yes I am bench racing with ricer math.
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    2015 GTA rules are posted. 2015 Rules - Global Time Attack

    Limited gets a change... Still must have a dash, naturally, but gone is the ridiculous specific requirement to have a glove box.

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    Do they have a class for diesel ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepass View Post
    gone is the ridiculous specific requirement to have a glove box.
    But this lead to one of the funniest pics of your car ever.
    I am disappoint

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