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    Quote Originally Posted by JulioG View Post
    Is hugging the inside of Sweeper the fastest line for cars?
    FTFY, and yes.
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    I just now realized how fast Zhong's car is. Just... wow.
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    Revved Mag caught a couple of really awesome shots of Creampuff -

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDSUsnowboards View Post
    I just now realized how fast Zhong's car is. Just... wow.
    just imagine how much faster it could be with a roll cage
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDSUsnowboards View Post
    I just now realized how fast Zhong's car is. Just... wow.
    It decided to not be a turd that day. It's alright. Could be alot faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    I think the 1:38.967 Jeff did in Unlimited AWD is a new overall record.
    It's still 0.4 off of the DOT record and 1.4 off of the overall.

    Quote Originally Posted by JulioG View Post
    Is hugging the inside of Sweeper the fastest line for AWD?
    I dont think so. You can carry far more entry speed if you let it push you to the outside of the corner, which will then give you a straighter shot though the second apex (taking the sweeper like a diamond) and better exit to the esses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    I dont think so. You can carry far more entry speed if you let it push you to the outside of the corner, which will then give you a straighter shot though the second apex (taking the sweeper like a diamond) and better exit to the esses.
    Your data showed that or just SOTP? My data showed the opposite. I started running the shorter distance, more constant radius line about 5 years ago in the S2K and S/C Miata after looking at my G2X data.
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    Almost forgot to post this..

    That whole glovebox debate we were all having? Yep, they enforce it.

    So yeah, to stay legal for Limited, my car inherited the glovebox from Sean's F-150. Zip tied and gorilla taped into perfect placement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepass View Post
    Almost forgot to post this..

    That whole glovebox debate we were all having? Yep, they enforce it.

    So yeah, to stay legal for Limited, my car inherited the glovebox from Sean's F-150. Zip tied and gorilla taped into perfect placement.

    you can prolly blame me for this one. 2 years ago a fierce competitor in class tried protesting us for not having the glovebox since its technically in the limited class rules, but for our car, the was cage reinforcement and a encloser for the mil spec stand alone ECU in the area, we got pass on tech since the cage was in the area as a "Safety superceeds the interior rules", but since then its been a big hissy fit amoung the class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    Your data showed that or just SOTP? My data showed the opposite. I started running the shorter distance, more constant radius line about 5 years ago in the S2K and S/C Miata after looking at my G2X data.
    Data and a lot of analysis of the corner. There is a pronounced straight section between the corner's centerline and the 'apex'. Hugging it all the way around really pinches off the exit.

    If you treat the corner like a long, decreasing-radius corner, carry more entry speed, and use all of the road on the left as shown below, you'll probably pick up some time vs. over slowing the entry and having maintenance throttle through the center.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    Data and a lot of analysis of the corner. There is a pronounced straight section between the corner's centerline and the 'apex'. Hugging it all the way around really pinches off the exit.

    If you treat the corner like a long, decreasing-radius corner, carry more entry speed, and use all of the road on the left as shown below, you'll probably pick up some time vs. over slowing the entry and having maintenance throttle through the center.
    While you guys are probably arguing tenths if not hundredths of a second - I personally take Billy's line when I am able to do so correctly. I imagine Emilio's line is way easier to actually get right. 60% of the time - I mess this corner up, every time. Bane of my existence on this track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    If you treat the corner like a long, decreasing-radius corner, carry more entry speed, and use all of the road on the left as shown below, you'll probably pick up some time vs. over slowing the entry and having maintenance throttle through the center.

    That is pretty much the line that I take.
    As seen in the video.
    Which apparently no one other than Adam has seen

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    That's more-or-less the line I try to take. I track out after the first apex a little sooner because the car is power-limited.
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    Based on my experience of driving both higher hp cars and Miatas, Billy's line is more suited for higher hp cars that have trouble putting the power down smoothly for corner exit, while the shorter distance line is better for lower hp cars (shortening the distance) as much as possible.

    Whenever i drive my Miata i always try to shorten the distance wherever I can. In the Evo, not so much unless it has the grip to do it and still power out quickly without lifting. This topic is very subjective IMO.
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    I forgot to mention, we spent Thursday night rivnuting a glove box in place with aluminum L channel on the back side of the glove box and dash. We were told by tech to modify the glove box however possible so that it's safe. The problem for us is we have a bunch of electrical and the ECU sits right where the glove box used to be, so fitment was not straight forward at all. Dumbest rule ever.

    We should of just zip tied a latex glove box in place. Bam, glove box!
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    ^haha i see what you did there.

    I usually drive Billy's line in my car. Maybe leave half a car width on the outside because it's really dirty there. Goal for that turn is to get on power as early as possible and straighten the exit as much as possible. If i were to hold along the inside, I would pinch the exit (make it more of a turn than a straight) and cost me 3-4mph on the end of that straight from not putting the power down early enough aka putting on the power late.

    I also used where and when i shift along the curbing esses to see wether it was faster or slower along with data. If i changed to 4th earlier than before that means i was able to put power down earlier and shift 10ft sooner or w/e. Also being able to go full throttle and not letting go til braking is what determines my line through there. If I didn't, then I did it wrong that lap and readjust for next flying lap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    Data and a lot of analysis of the corner. There is a pronounced straight section between the corner's centerline and the 'apex'. Hugging it all the way around really pinches off the exit.

    If you treat the corner like a long, decreasing-radius corner, carry more entry speed, and use all of the road on the left as shown below, you'll probably pick up some time vs. over slowing the entry and having maintenance throttle through the center.
    Your line shows a slight pinch at the track out kerb. In my experience, if you run wide enough to get that straight exit you:

    a) Have too much exit speed to stay out of the dirt without lifting
    b) Lose too much time by over slowing mid turn

    My line is squared off mid turn more or less like your drawing. You may not see it in steering angle, it's done with the pedals. My steering angle remains almost constant. Burst of throttle just past mid turn to intentionally run wider, then a lift to (hopefully) tuck the nose in. I rotate just before the exit, just not as abruptly and early as shown in your graphic. I think we're talking about the same thing. JulioG asked if it was faster to hug the inside. At the beginning and middle of the turn, yes. Towards the end I drift out a bit and use the pedals to line the car up with the exit. You may note I unwind completely about 3 car lengths before the exit kerb. Not still turning as in your graphic. Had I mimicked your exact line, I would have a hard time keeping it out of the dirt considering the exit speed. What I found was that exit speed varied so little with a mid track turn in vs a far left edge turn in that the time lost by the extra distance and greater degree yaw rate was not outweighed by exit speed nor sector time to the apex of Sunset. This both in <10lbs/hp car and >15lbs/hp cars.

    My curiosity piqued, I went back to your 1:37.5 lap (awesome!). You take pretty much the same line as I do, just running a bit wider late in the turn to get a straighter exit. You then pick up on throttle about 40' sooner and bit more abruptly which makes you run a tad wide initially (a), you feather throttle briefly to adjust the line and are steering straight just a bit later than I am before the exit kerbing. Our exit speeds are both pretty much optimal for the cars we were driving, your line a skosh longer. So pretty much the same concept, just slightly different executions, no doubt adjustments for the equipment we were using.
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    yeah, I think we are all saying the same thing, just executing in a different way.
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    1:47.2xx @ Laguna Seca - 11/28/10
    2:03.026 @ Thill CCW Bypass - 12/20/14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    So would a C7 Z06 or Viper be allowed in Street class as well? Seems to defeat the purpose of 'import' TA. Does that mean McLaren 12C/650s, 458s, R8s, etc... can run street class as well?

    Then again, the "Mod"/Limited class cars are more built than Unlimited cars useto be, no one competes in Unlimited, and Street is kind of the new Mod/Limited and Enthusiast is the new Street class...
    c7 z and viper need more tire than a 285 in the rear. so no street class for them. I don't understand this whole thing people saying that pushrod shouldn't be allowed.. (I have the c6 z that won limited rwd) i make 500whp and 500 lbs of torque, I'm competing against someone that has more power. how is it that I'm the one with the advantage? professional awesome was probably making 650. easy. maybe I'm an idiot? but can someone fill me in on this?
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