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    Wow that guy got off good.. Was expecting him to get tank-slapped up against that wall like a pimp's backhand.

    Great driving though.. I'd have a fun enough time keeping that thing pointed forward, let alone win some kind of race.

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    In the video in the rain, he appears to better: smoother, however not too slower with the controls as some drivers are in the rain. The problem in the wet (which I believe this mysterious drivers suffers from too) is that drivers cannot wait for the car to turn by itself, without turning the wheel more.

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    wow if they were to let me drive this 911
    with my driving style/ input
    i probably wouldnt be able to even drive it straight lol
    man i wanna learn how to control oversteer at 120mph+
    the fastest oversteer ive had was at riverside which is only abt 95~100mph
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astraist View Post
    There is also a weight transfer involved. If you keep a very slight amount of throttle on, it will improve the recovery.
    I get what you are trying to say and you are correct, there is weight transfer involved. I will caution that there is a fine line between adding beneficial rear weight transfer/grip and adding too much gas and making the slide/spin even worse. In general, its best to not touch any pedal and catch the slide by steering only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Astraist View Post
    If you do not release pressure from the throttle or sometimes if you just lift-off, your steering corrections would be greatly ineffective, so the throttle is more important than the steering. In a FWD, for an example, the correction is 90% throttle. I do not clearly see his feet on the pedals, so I will not guess anything.
    I disagree. Regardless of FWD, RWD, AWD, steering is the majority of the correction. When you lift off the throttle, where does the weight go/transfer? -to the front. Your front tires have added load which increases grip. If your tires are pointed in the direction you want to go, the added grip will help the front tires straighten out the car. Out of any drivetrain layout, I might reccomend a slight throttle application in a FWD car compared to no throttle application in a RWD car.

    Here's a video from the Compass360 Acura TSX I raced in Grand Am from Laguna Seca in '07. Notice in Turn 10 (1:20 into the video) I caught the slide with steering input and slight throttle:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astraist View Post
    Additionally, if oversteer is a result of a forward weight transfer rather than excessive power -- and oversteer on the track should only be of this nature rather than by power -- surely one could apply a nice amount of power (not an agressive application, just moderate acceleration) to make the car grip again while straightening the steering and possibly applying slight countersteer. In this case, the transition in weight is more dominant than the tractive demands of the power application, or the steering angle, in any car.
    I disagree. Steering is the #1 priority (along with looking where you WANT to go). Actually, looking where you WANT to go is probably #1 and steering in that direction will be a natural subconscious byproduct of looking where you want to go.

    There is no such thing as "powering out of a slide". -This is one of the biggest misconceptions out there.

    Even in a low powered car in a highspeed corner, an aggressive throttle input can prolong the slide because if the rear tires are already sliding, the tire has already lost grip. If the tire loses grip you want the tire to regain grip as fast as possible. Adding gas puts an acceleration load on the tire and keeping in mind that a tire only does 100% of one thing (or a combination of two things that add up to 100) you are reducing cornering grip for acceleration grip -which will prolong the slide, prolong the recovery, and possibly lead to a spin.

    It is far better to just look where you want to go and DO NOT touch any pedal. 2 famous sayings:

    "When in doubt, (if you're going to catch a slide/spin) Both feet out".
    "When in a spin, both feet in"

    Catch the slide by looking where you want to go and steering in that direction. DO NOT touch the throttle because its a knife-edge between a slight improvement in the recovery and greatly worsening the slide by overdoing it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Astraist View Post
    I think we can generally agree that this driver could have been much more precise and less horny over the steering wheel.
    I'm surprised our 'mature' audience hasn't caught this yet...

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    Good driver. Great track. Damn I'd like to run Spa Francorchamps.
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    I don't know enough to argue with anyone but he looked pretty good to me. I loved the pass on the left with half the car in the grass.

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    ^+1

    and i hate it when billy is right! (copied from william)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astraist View Post
    I think we can generally agree that this driver could have been much more precise and less horny over the steering wheel.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    I'm surprised our 'mature' audience hasn't caught this yet...

    I don't know where everyone else has been, but the I have been in the bathroom. The new Momo steering wheel catalog just arrived in the mail.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post

    It is far better to just look where you want to go and DO NOT touch any pedal. 2 famous sayings:

    "When in doubt, (if you're going to catch a slide/spin) Both feet out".
    "When in a spin, both feet in"...
    And, most importantly, "When in doubt, pull it out!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Tyler View Post
    And, most importantly, "When in doubt, pull it out!"
    Which is difficult if you're too horny over the wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Tyler View Post
    And, most importantly, "When in doubt, pull it out!"
    Hang on to it, Jeff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olitho View Post
    I don't know where everyone else has been, but the I have been in the bathroom. The new Momo steering wheel catalog just arrived in the mail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    Which is difficult if you're too horny over the wheel.
    Quote Originally Posted by MiataCharles_Hong_Kong View Post
    Hang on to it, Jeff.
    Good stuff :lol


    I would love to drive Spa as well.... Most F1 drivers say it is their favorite track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Tyler View Post
    I would love to drive Spa as well.... Most F1 drivers say it is their favorite track.
    that's probably with a F1 car though. with a Spec Miata, you probably keep throttle floored 99% of the lap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    that's probably with a F1 car though. with a Spec Miata, you probably keep throttle floored 99% of the lap.
    No one drives or knows what a spec miata is in Europe anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiataCharles_Hong_Kong View Post
    No one drives or knows what a spec miata is in Europe anyway
    in Europe, they have a ton of Spec series that's way slower than SM. so it will be WOT 99.9% of the time.
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    Is it me or... is going into Eau Rouge the scariest fukken thing EVAR

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    Forgive me for not being available over these last four days (which, to my dismay, was not due to issues related to motorsport).

    Billy, the throttle makes up most of the correction: In a RWD (or AWD) if you get power oversteer you can apply full opposite lock, but keep spinning if you do not ease the application of power off. The same applies to lift-off/braking oversteer in a FWD. As a very basic technique, I would either suggest coasting and countersteering or "Both feet in", as you suggested. One of the advantages of the second solution is that wheel-lockup tends to straighten the car, given that all four wheels are locked.

    The correct corrections would be one of the following:

    1. In a rear or all wheel drive: You keep constant throttle while steering where you want to go (not nessecarily countersteer!). How much throttle/steering depands on many factors: the cause of oversteer (power, lift-off or braking) the drivetrain (more power in a AWD), engine layout and power, sort of corner, speed. If the corner is very fast and the engine really cannot spin the wheels, the advice is simply to accelerate quite hard, without almost any steering input taking place.

    2. In a FWD: Hard power while making steering corrections. Often, you will not have to bring the wheel completly straight. Countersteering here means your correction was applied too late or too hard. Another gain from this is that in slower corners, it might spin the front wheels up slightly, which acts like countersteering.

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    some amazingly great info in this thread!

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    Let me guess, you were countersteering in a FWD before, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astraist View Post
    Let me guess, you were countersteering in a FWD before, eh?
    no I'm not that good, I'm havnt graduated to FWD yet.

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