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    What is the gold standard by which you judge every other sports car? There need not be any rational basis for it. Beauty, spirit, specifications, or the random events and collaborations that conspired to bring about a final product. What we hold important about a car is subjective.

    For me, it is the McLaren F1. Even after several decades, I am still impressed every time I consider this love letter to drivers. It is the product of a genius without restrictions. It's the idea of making the best car possible and **** the bottom line. 627 horsepower. 2,300 pounds and some change. Dry sump. Gold foil. No ABS. No power steering. Manual transmission. Active aero (including a bottom fan). One center seat and two side seats. Side-trunks. Titanium tool kit. Titanium exhaust. No lug nuts. 240+ mph. It's still among the best looking cars of all time, sullied only slightly by a very 90's rear end. This is the gold standard and, thanks to regulations, we'll never see a car like this again. Never.

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    Low miles in a nice white color (Richard's preferred).

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    Tiff's take (4 min 54 sec in):

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    For decades it was this

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    Today, it's this

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    But in the end...

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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    But in the end...
    Looks somewhat pimped,but it is The Gold Standart

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawareca View Post
    Looks somewhat pimped,but it is The Gold Standart
    I thought Miatas were the Gay Standard (TM)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDSUsnowboards View Post
    I thought Miatas were the Gay Standard (TM)?
    I'm pretty sure there are more gay men in the US driving lifted 4x4's than all the Miatas ever produced. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    I'm pretty sure there are more gay men in the US driving Jeeps than all the Miatas ever produced. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
    Fixed that for you. Gotta be all rugged and manly with your Jeep.



    Also, since we're tossing around the stereotypes, let's not forget all the lesbian gals in their butch Toyota trucks.


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    Biggest problem with all the supercars is the fact that I will never own any of them.
    Therefore as a golden standard of a car that the common man can truly enjoy they are just irrelevant. Daydreaming is nice, but that's all it is.

    But, there is one car that is the mother of all golden standards in terms of sheer driving fun, and the hopped up versions will give many of the so called supercars not just a run for their money around a track, but straight out spank them.
    And best of all, many of us can afford one in some version or another -

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    Yep, the Lotus / Caterham 7.
    There's a reason that they are made for almost 60 years (!!!) now.
    Easily the most fun car I've ever driven, makes any other car look big, heavy and clumsy.
    Sure, there are faster cars, but the driving experience is freaking hysterical.
    My winner by a country mile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbird View Post
    Biggest problem with all the supercars is the fact that I will never own any of them.
    I think by your own estimates you place the value of Creampuff well north of 75k when you count all the costs plus your time. Heck for that you could have a Ferrari!

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    Emilio put it nicely on a different thread -
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    No one wants to admit what they actually spent developing their car over the years. Not to be confused with what it's worth or what it would cost to replicate knowing what they now know.
    I estimated that between parts and the development cost of Creampuff it's in the neighbourhood of $75K.
    It's the cost of prototype vs. production piece, there are a lot of one-off pieces on the car.
    Ask Emilio what Crusher cost him, I'm willing to bet it was almost double that or at least close to.

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    The gold standard for the McLaren f1 is the NSX, Gordon Murray having driven one during the time he was designing the f1, wanting to emulate its handling.
    If nothing happens and there is no one around why did it not happen?

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    I have to say that for me, it's the craftwork in the car. I look at a Pagani, and just how each piece is formed, and it is truly a piece of art. Italian cars in general have such wonderful interiors (and good looks as well in many cases), and so often...the noise!

    There is just something very..elegant about a Ferrari Daytona. It transports you to another frame of mind, if that's not overly lyrical.

    I can remember to this day my first experience in something that wasn't an appliance type of car... it was my uncle's XJ6. I'm not saying that car didn't comport itself to every English standard of maintenance of that era... but you sat in those leather seats, looked at the wood trim on the dash, and thought "this is not just a device, it's a lifestyle."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveLevin View Post
    I have to say that for me, it's the craftwork in the car. I look at a Pagani, and just how each piece is formed, and it is truly a piece of art. Italian cars in general have such wonderful interiors (and good looks as well in many cases), and so often...the noise!

    There is just something very..elegant about a Ferrari Daytona. It transports you to another frame of mind, if that's not overly lyrical.

    I can remember to this day my first experience in something that wasn't an appliance type of car... it was my uncle's XJ6. I'm not saying that car didn't comport itself to every English standard of maintenance of that era... but you sat in those leather seats, looked at the wood trim on the dash, and thought "this is not just a device, it's a lifestyle."

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    Funny that you mention the Pagani. I find each and every Pagani inexcusably ugly when looking past the exterior. It's the best example of over design that I can think of. The designer should have put the cad software down, but instead kept adding lines and circles and swoops, and woops, and bling, and blong, and angles, and concaves, and all kinds of **** to the cockpit.

    I mean, look at this. Can you tell, at a glance, what's going on with the car? And that shifting mechanism. Oh, God.
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    Which makes it so odd that the exterior and profiles of Pagani cars are so [EXPLICIT SEXUAL LANGUAGE] .

    But, if I were to select the gold standard based solely off exterior appearance, Pagani would be high up there, but for now my favorite remains the Jaguar XJ220.

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    There is just something very..elegant about a Ferrari Daytona. It transports you to another frame of mind, if that's not overly lyrical.
    And it drives like a truck . . .
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    The original Lotus Elan. This is what Mazda was shooting for with the Miata, but they didn't quite get there . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    The original Lotus Elan. This is what Mazda was shooting for with the Miata, but they didn't quite get there . . .
    I always liked the Elan. I hated the MGB. I saw a documentary on the miata evolution and they said the grandfater of the miata was the MGB with many styling cues taken from the MGB. I instanly understood why I never liked the miata and that stuck with me. I don't remember if they said anything about the Elan. If that's what they were shooting for they missed.

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    Story was Mazda bought 2 Elan when designing a Miata.
    They never had one running Elan for more than a couple of day
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDSUsnowboards View Post
    But, if I were to select the gold standard based solely off exterior appearance, Pagani would be high up there, but for now my favorite remains the Jaguar XJ220.

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    funny you didn't post xj220 interior picture. I wonder why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    funny you didn't post xj220 interior picture. I wonder why.

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    Still better than a Pagani.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbillybob View Post
    I always liked the Elan. I hated the MGB. I saw a documentary on the miata evolution and they said the grandfater of the miata was the MGB with many styling cues taken from the MGB. I instanly understood why I never liked the miata and that stuck with me. I don't remember if they said anything about the Elan. If that's what they were shooting for they missed.
    I drove and almost bought an MGB-GT from a friend in about 1978. The car had more power than you would expect. However, it had NO BRAKES. I swear, I got it going pretty fast and then hit the brakes. OH $h!t, they don't work . . .
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