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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    My race car has windshield wipers.
    Sorry E, maybe that is why the JDM kids don't like your race cars...
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    O my gosh. Spoon Sport Wiper Brade. How can I compete with that. I truly am USDM and not worthy.
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    I wanna see these guys campaigning the 86:
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    Spoon?

    What about forks and knifes!!?
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    I've always enjoyed a good spoon . . . wait, what are we talking about?
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    This thread made my day lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by momofoolio View Post
    Spoon?

    What about forks and knifes!!?
    Easily solved with a Spork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    O my gosh. Spoon Sport Wiper Brade. How can I compete with that. I truly am USDM and not worthy.
    to be fair, you do make 949 valve stem covers. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Andrews View Post
    to be fair, you do make 949 valve stem covers. :P
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    Hey, he even make 2 of them per wheel !!
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    I agree. None of my cars have had any spoon parts. They're over priced, and under perform. Again, from an engineering standpoint, I think he has a point, and his opinion shouldn't be dismissed as rubbish. Then again, I have never met the guy, so what do I know, let alone driven for him.

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    What other parts are there? for 2 years, I drove for / with Opak racing, spoon's soul distributor in the US. They were also the race shop that supported ichi's 25hr campaigns. I have endless hours in their civic, dc5, fit, and tsx. All right hand drive, all built by type one for campaigning the 25 and USTCC. I am very thankful for the opportunity provided by them to spend so much time I. Race cars under the council of some great coaches and team mates, but the cars were nothing special, in fact, the cars were held back by his "philosophy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino Antonov View Post
    I agree. None of my cars have had any spoon parts. They're over priced, and under perform. Again, from an engineering standpoint, I think he has a point, and his opinion shouldn't be dismissed as rubbish. Then again, I have never met the guy, so what do I know, let alone driven for him.
    Hi Dino, mind to share why you consider him to have a point regarding the toyobaru as sporty but not a sports car? Just for discussion
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    Well, thats not what I said. I don't agree with "his point" especially with regards to the cost, he's just not somebody who's opinion I would blindly dismiss.

    With relation to the S2000 and why the BRZ is only sporty, I think he's basing his opinion on things like engine, power/weight, double wishbones vs. struts, and of course the fact that the S2000 is a no compromise roadster. For me, for what I'm looking for from a sports car, or track car, I still lean towards the antiquated S2000 for those reasons, and ultimately the way it drives.

    Maybe I'm just a sucker for twitchy butts.

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    Hi Dino, mind to share why you consider him to have a point regarding the toyobaru as sporty but not a sports car? Just for discussion
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    Wouldn't the S2000 have been more of a "no-compromise roadster" if it weighed less than 2700lbs on introduction? Wasn't the weight a compromise? Isn't the Elise a "no-compromise roadster" and the S2000 more like a "very good, well-engineered roadster?" This is more my hatred of modern cars weighing so damn much rather an indictment of what you're saying, Dino.

    Also, the S2k came on market at the equivalent of ~$17k higher than the BRZ, and left at the equivalent of ~$12k higher. (Adjusted for inflation) Stock BRZ also has a lower cG than an S2k, albeit by something like .19"-.5". Stock for stock, the BRZ will post higher numbers on the skidpad, but that could be a wash due to increases in tire technology.

    I'm no fanboy of the ZN6/ZC6, and am an outcast on the FT86 boards because I thought the steering felt dead and the ride was crap in the FR-S I drove, and I thought the S2k I drove had absolutely sublime steering and when it came on cam it was addictive but would be tiring on an all-day backroads blast, but let's be pragmatic about the arguments.

    Also, I don't much care for Ichi-san- I understand the point of the video but I like my tuner shop guys to grab the cameraman and bring him over to the newest thing they're working on and be enthusiastic about innovation and the betterment of a craft.
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    The S2000 is a no compromise roadster built to a price, which was 32k, I agree, it would be nice if it were a bit lighter, but aside from aluminum construction, I don't really see how Honda could've accomplished that without making it much more expensive.

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    Wouldn't the S2000 have been more of a "no-compromise roadster" if it weighed less than 2700lbs on introduction? Wasn't the weight a compromise? Isn't the Elise a "no-compromise roadster" and the S2000 more like a "very good, well-engineered roadster?" This is more my hatred of modern cars weighing so damn much rather an indictment of what you're saying, Dino.

    Also, the S2k came on market at the equivalent of ~$17k higher than the BRZ, and left at the equivalent of ~$12k higher. (Adjusted for inflation) Stock BRZ also has a lower cG than an S2k, albeit by something like .19"-.5". Stock for stock, the BRZ will post higher numbers on the skidpad, but that could be a wash due to increases in tire technology.

    I'm no fanboy of the ZN6/ZC6, and am an outcast on the FT86 boards because I thought the steering felt dead and the ride was crap in the FR-S I drove, and I thought the S2k I drove had absolutely sublime steering and when it came on cam it was addictive but would be tiring on an all-day backroads blast, but let's be pragmatic about the arguments.

    Also, I don't much care for Ichi-san- I understand the point of the video but I like my tuner shop guys to grab the cameraman and bring him over to the newest thing they're working on and be enthusiastic about innovation and the betterment of a craft.

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    Too bad Honda didn't make an S2K coupe . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Andrews View Post
    to be fair, you do make 949 valve stem covers. :P
    You mean we make aluminum valves which are required by some racing organizations like POC, NHRA, VARA, fit them with special high temp cores then yah, add 3whp by pasting our logo on? You bet

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOneThreeCoupe View Post
    Wouldn't the S2000 have been more of a "no-compromise roadster" if it weighed less than 2700lbs on introduction? Wasn't the weight a compromise? Isn't the Elise a "no-compromise roadster" and the S2000 more like a "very good, well-engineered roadster?" This is more my hatred of modern cars weighing so damn much rather an indictment of what you're saying, Dino.

    Also, the S2k came on market at the equivalent of ~$17k higher than the BRZ, and left at the equivalent of ~$12k higher. (Adjusted for inflation) Stock BRZ also has a lower cG than an S2k, albeit by something like .19"-.5". Stock for stock, the BRZ will post higher numbers on the skidpad, but that could be a wash due to increases in tire technology.

    I'm no fanboy of the ZN6/ZC6, and am an outcast on the FT86 boards because I thought the steering felt dead and the ride was crap in the FR-S I drove, and I thought the S2k I drove had absolutely sublime steering and when it came on cam it was addictive but would be tiring on an all-day backroads blast, but let's be pragmatic about the arguments.

    Also, I don't much care for Ichi-san- I understand the point of the video but I like my tuner shop guys to grab the cameraman and bring him over to the newest thing they're working on and be enthusiastic about innovation and the betterment of a craft.
    I have both. The FR-S/BRZ steering is more communicative than the S2k. By far. You can FEEL it in the steering when the front tires lose traction, although it's very muted when the car is stock.

    At the bolt-on level, the FR-S/BRZ is almost universally faster. ACS is the only track I have left to test; it's been faster at every other track, including WSIR.

    Notes: Both cars on Tein SRCs, Both cars with a (somewhat) proper alignment, both cars with RS3s (225 square on BRZ, 255 square on s2k).
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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    You mean we make aluminum valves which are required by some racing organizations like POC, NHRA, VARA, fit them with special high temp cores then yah, add 3whp by pasting our logo on? You bet

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    Quote Originally Posted by psychoazn View Post
    I have both. The FR-S/BRZ steering is more communicative than the S2k. By far. You can FEEL it in the steering when the front tires lose traction, although it's very muted when the car is stock.

    At the bolt-on level, the FR-S/BRZ is almost universally faster. ACS is the only track I have left to test; it's been faster at every other track, including WSIR.

    Notes: Both cars on Tein SRCs, Both cars with a (somewhat) proper alignment, both cars with RS3s (225 square on BRZ, 255 square on s2k).
    And that's with a 50hp advantage to the s2k even...
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