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    Default Evo crash at Road Atlanta

    Saw this video today from the Global Rice, err Time Attack. Thoughts?



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    My extensive experience in iRacing has taught me that T1 is a tricky and fast corner.

    That said, why is he carrying so much steering angle that late into the corner? Looks like a massively understeering car. And the wrong judgment call to try and make the turn versus straighten it out (he could have gone a very long way straight through the grass and back onto the track).

    Glad he is okay.
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    Oh, lots of thoughts:

    - I hope the driver is OK
    - Looks/sounds like it could have been a damp track
    - Pretty hard hit, beyond the tire barrier
    - Inside camera makes it look much worse than it is
    - There are bugs outside the K wall
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    Sad. Newbie mistake. If you're going to go two-off at the exit, go two-off *a lot*. Open the steering at the last second so the inside wheels have sufficient traction to keep the thing pointed.

    It doesn't matter if those outside tires go 6 inches into the dirt or 6 feet - they'll still be getting dirty, and 6 feet is better.

    And don't say "I think I'll make it, I think I'll make it". If there's doubt, assume you'll *not* make it. Open that steering, drive it back on using the inside wheels and try again next lap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhouck View Post
    That said, why is he carrying so much steering angle that late into the corner? Looks like a massively understeering car. And the wrong judgment call to try and make the turn versus straighten it out (he could have gone a very long way straight through the grass and back onto the track).
    this. he had so much steering angle still in the car when he left the pavement. and he was way behind the car when it started to tank slap.

    also glad driver is ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by flink View Post
    Open the steering at the last second so the inside wheels have sufficient traction to keep the thing pointed.

    It doesn't matter if those outside tires go 6 inches into the dirt or 6 feet - they'll still be getting dirty, and 6 feet is better.

    And don't say "I think I'll make it, I think I'll make it". If there's doubt, assume you'll *not* make it. Open that steering, drive it back on using the inside wheels and try again next lap.
    this x 10

    It's crazy to me how many people aren't taught how to trail brake a corner exit. That means by the apex he should have been able to tell he wasn't gonna make the corner. open the steering up and immediately start what can only be called a reverse trail brake. as you get less steering in the car the more brake you can use, manage your grip just like on the way into the corner. at most tracks you easily have a 50-100ft of pavement between the apex and the point you leave the track. That's enuf time to get probably 50mph out of the car. Also then you leave the track straight, at 25mph vs 75mph sideways. Now you can still control the car and worst case you're in the tire wall head on, vs the concrete wall 100+ ft down the track.

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    Too bad they didn't have a Professionally Awesome driver. Instead they got a Probable Amateur.

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    Agreed with all the above.

    I also hate that he uses so much shuffle steer, but not sure if it had anything to do with this crash.

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    im with everyone else on this one, expensive mistake. im assuming the driver was ok, hopefully he learns from this one.

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    All of you armchair driving critics...


    ..are right.

    Driver had plenty of warning that the car was running out of track and three potential methods of avoiding a crash. Slow corrections. He should have stayed two in the dirt and been patient bringing it back instead of dialing in even more steering lock and hooking into that tracks Wall Of Champions. I see this so often with intermediate level awd drivers; Just keep cranking in lock like a video game. argh. Like Rylan suggested, if this driver had learned the car-saving corner exit trail brake (bail out maneuver) instead of trying to force the car back on track, he would have just lost a lap and bent nothing.

    options the driver could have chosen at apex

    1. Trail brake and stay on pavement or least get rid of another 40mph
    2. Both feet in the moment it snapped, spinning harmlessly down center of track as that was his trajectory at that instant.
    3. Let two stay in dirt and gently coax it back on pavement another 5-10 car lengths down at much lower speed.

    My instinctive reaction watching the video: I would have trail braked (#1) if I messed it up that bad. If I still ran out of pavement I would have let two hang off and gently coaxed it back on pavement after end of exit kerbing. (#3)

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    Hes moaning for a bit starting around 25sec, so i hope hes ok. I see this was a time attack, but im still curious about a couple things:

    - Doesnt appear his seat has a Halo
    - Doesnt appear he has a window net (isnt that required even for time attack?)
    - Doesnt appear he has a right-side impact net (isnt that required if you dont have a Halo?)
    - Does anyone know if he was wearing an HNRS (head/neck restraint system)?
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    Glad he was not hurt (youtube description indicates he was okay).

    Quote Originally Posted by Bueller View Post
    Hes moaning for a bit starting around 25sec, so i hope hes ok. I see this was a time attack, but im still curious about a couple things:

    - Doesnt appear his seat has a Halo
    - Doesnt appear he has a window net (isnt that required even for time attack?)
    - Doesnt appear he has a right-side impact net (isnt that required if you dont have a Halo?)
    - Does anyone know if he was wearing an HNRS (head/neck restraint system)?
    None of those things are required for time attack, not even roll cage:

    D. Interior/Roll Cage/Safety/Misc.
    1. A 6-point roll cage is strongly recommended for all classes and is required in the Unlimited Class meeting NASA CCR Section 15 specs.

    This is a Limited Class car in Global Time Attack/Super Lap Battle.

    Car details: Evolution VII Modifications » Professional Awesome Racing -- It appears he does use a HNRS, no halo, no nets
    Driver info: Dan O’Donnell » Professional Awesome Racing -- Seems like Evo is/was his car. His background is AutoX, HPDE, & time trialing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BEbengali View Post
    Glad he was not hurt (youtube description indicates he was okay).



    None of those things are required for time attack, not even roll cage:

    D. Interior/Roll Cage/Safety/Misc.
    1. A 6-point roll cage is strongly recommended for all classes and is required in the Unlimited Class meeting NASA CCR Section 15 specs.

    This is a Limited Class car in Global Time Attack/Super Lap Battle.

    Car details: Evolution VII Modifications » Professional Awesome Racing -- It appears he does use a HNRS, no halo, no nets
    Driver info: Dan O’Donnell » Professional Awesome Racing -- Seems like Evo is/was his car. His background is AutoX, HPDE, & time trialing.
    Given the power some of these time attack cars are making, and speeds theyre hitting, i think its crazy theyre not required because relatively inexperienced drivers will probably not use them if theyre given the choice. Since his seat doesnt have a Halo, i wouldnt be surprised if his helmet smacked into his B pillar.
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    ^ welcome to the whole problem with time attack. Frequently faster than a proper w2w race car, almost none of the safety gear.
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    I do love the team name though:
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    It appears the driver had no idea how control a slide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    I do love the team name though:
    Profession Awesome Racing

    How about "ROOT Racing?" (ran out of talent)
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    It's interesting to note how his car barely slowed down once he went off into the grass. I'm assuming he was "both feet in" at that point. Did it rain earlier?

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    Just watched the video. He sounded really hurt. Too much steering angle from when he left the apex to the edge of the exit berm. Should have straightened out the moment he knew he wasnt gonna make it and braked hard as straight as possible-ish. Maybe scrubbed another 20-30mph. Then just slowly make your way to track surface after countersteering a bit if rear wants to step out. OR straightened out before hitting the exit berm so you don't load up the outside tires, which I am sure everyone knows will sling you across the track. Over correcting the 1st tank slapper guaranteed him going into the wall on the outside. I went off on exits before and I recognize it before it happens. I would never have so much steering angle on an exit berm. I am sure he realized what he did wrong. Too bad his car is a write off/frame damage and can't be repaired.

    He also held the counter WAAAY too long...when it spun...instant 2 feet in.
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    They will be back for Super Lap Battle in mid November though. Driver is okay besides a headache and some bruising. Talked to the guy a few days ago.
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