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    Default Driving the 2016 Mazda MX-5

    The links inside this piece are pretty informative - for me at least:

    2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata Japan-Spec First Drive - Motor Trend
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    The comparison to the NA, in terms of size, is eye opening. Its so much taller, but just as short, making it look like a fat fish of some sort. But, Mazda NAILED the interior.
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    Wow pics o plenty! I still like the NA.
    If nothing happens and there is no one around why did it not happen?

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    I like the F12/F-type rear, viper/c7 hood, and interior, but these floating tablets still look like afterthoughts.

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    Any official info on the weight yet?

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    New MX seems to have some Alfa 4C styling cues. Best lookin MX to date.

    If anyone gets one I'm near Redondo Beach and be glad to weigh the car to put that question to rest.
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    Official figures for power are 155 hp and 148 ft-lbs.
    A bit disappointing, but I'm sure it'll still be a hoot to drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawareca View Post
    Any official info on the weight yet?
    All I could find was "in the neighborhood of 2,200 pounds."

    Sounds great to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbird View Post
    Official figures for power are 155 hp and 148 ft-lbs.
    A bit disappointing, but I'm sure it'll still be a hoot to drive.
    Correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't that a **** ton* more torque than what the SPM cars have?

    Granted, curb weights will be a few hundred pounds off... but 148 sounds pretty healthy.

    * **** ton, relative to a Miata.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucfbrett View Post
    All I could find was "in the neighborhood of 2,200 pounds."

    Sounds great to me.
    Official figure was 2205 for a JDM 1.5L equipped car.
    It's light, but the 2.0L will weigh a little more and I hope the US crash regs wouldn't F it up too much.
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    Schmoe, 155/148 is okay, but 170-180 hp was the "reach for my checkbook" sweet spot.
    Problem is Mazda Japan made the 1.5L a priority and never really wanted to put the 2.0L in the car anyway, Mazda North America insisted (rightfully) on having a 2.0L because the US market will never be able to accept having a 500cc and nearly 40 hp step down from the NC, and I suspect that what we got is the Mazda 3 skyactiv with exactly 0 mods other than what was absolutely necessary to fit it in north-south config, which the marketing dept can now call "specially tuned version" (AKA we had to make a different header).

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    155bhp will translate to about 125whp. US cars without the exploding hood and 2.0L will likely be closer to 2270lbs curb weight, my guess. Of the NA and NB (1st, 2nd gen) cars, the 49 state, '99 base model was the fastest at about 125whp and the same 2300 lbs. The base NC2's were around 2450lbs and 135whp.

    NB1 18.4 lbs/hp
    NC2 18.1 lbs/hp
    ND (USDM) estimated 18.4 lbs/hp

    I'm pretty sure the improvements in aero, chassis stiffness, lower PMI, better weight distribution and lower overall weight will make the ND the fastest stock Miata ever by a small but definable margin. The FRS ends up being as fast or faster than a stock S2000 on equal tires on fast tracks, largely due to the far superior aerodynamics. The 1st gen Miata had abysmal aerodynamics.

    Being as light as it is, it will be equally responsive to small gains in power just as the early cars are.

    Without driver:

    Subaru STi 305bhp/250whp 3450lbs 13.8lbs/hp
    S2000 240bhp/197whp 2750lbs 13.96lbs/hp
    SuperMiata is 2100 lbs/ 140whp 15lbs/hp
    FRS/BRZ 200bhp/167whp 2780lbs 16.65lbs/hp
    ND, estimated 18.16lbs hp
    ND with 50lbs weight reduction (exhaust, steering wheel, removing knick knacks), + 15whp from simple bolt ons 15.85 lbs/hp
    ND + 30lbs Rotrex kit +65whp (190whp) from small Rotrex 12.1lbs/hp
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    Since it sounds like Mazda actually developed the 1.5, it seems like the engine to get. I wish we had a choice because the 2.0 doesn't sound like a sporty engine just a good, fuel efficient econobox engine. If rather have the MZR.
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    Here's a couple of video reviews. Looks like it could use some stiffer springs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbird View Post
    Official figures for power are 155 hp and 148 ft-lbs.
    A bit disappointing, but I'm sure it'll still be a hoot to drive.
    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    155bhp will translate to about 125whp. US cars without the exploding hood and 2.0L will likely be closer to 2270lbs curb weight, my guess. Of the NA and NB (1st, 2nd gen) cars, the 49 state, '99 base model was the fastest at about 125whp and the same 2300 lbs. The base NC2's were around 2450lbs and 135whp.

    NB1 18.4 lbs/hp
    NC2 18.1 lbs/hp
    ND (USDM) estimated 18.4 lbs/hp

    I'm pretty sure the improvements in aero, chassis stiffness, lower PMI, better weight distribution and lower overall weight will make the ND the fastest stock Miata ever by a small but definable margin. The FRS ends up being as fast or faster than a stock S2000 on equal tires on fast tracks, largely due to the far superior aerodynamics. The 1st gen Miata had abysmal aerodynamics.

    Being as light as it is, it will be equally responsive to small gains in power just as the early cars are.

    Without driver:

    Subaru STi 305bhp/250whp 3450lbs 13.8lbs/hp
    S2000 240bhp/197whp 2750lbs 13.96lbs/hp
    SuperMiata is 2100 lbs/ 140whp 15lbs/hp
    FRS/BRZ 200bhp/167whp 2780lbs 16.65lbs/hp
    ND, estimated 18.16lbs hp
    ND with 50lbs weight reduction (exhaust, steering wheel, removing knick knacks), + 15whp from simple bolt ons 15.85 lbs/hp
    ND + 30lbs Rotrex kit +65whp (190whp) from small Rotrex 12.1lbs/hp
    I am curious if the opportunity exists to put the largest SkyActiv motor (2.5l) at the expense of a less lively engine and more weight. I don't know if it shares the same block as the 2.0. Perhaps as an uprated Mazdaspeed version?

    Similarly, The Skyactiv Gen2 engines use HCCI and 18:1 CR, but not slated for release until 2020.

    I really want to like this car, but the styling and the engine doesn't impress me yet. I don't doubt it will feel like a Miata, but I agree with Moti, 170-185hp would have been 'gotta have it' for me.
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    Emilio is right that it's going to be the fastest Miata out of the box, and unlike you, Force, I love the design and feel that Mazda nailed it inside and out.
    I never liked the NC much, they drive alright but the design was off from the get-go and adding that stupid smile did not make it better.
    I just wish that they put a little more power into it because let's face it, newer cars are harder to modify than older cars, ECUs are more complex, laws and standards are stricter etc..
    155 hp bone stock Miata would have been exciting if it came out of the factory when NB2s were new (as Mazda claimed at the beginning if anyone recalls, then they had to revise the number to 142 and offer buy-back to everyone that felt cheated, and rightfully so).
    But the NB2 is old enough to go to high school now and Mazda still can't seem to put their $hit together when it comes to motors.
    Toyota, Honda, Subaru and everyone else managed to offer similar displacement engines with warranty and everything while somehow making anywhere from 30-60 ponies more, and did it years ago..
    Why they couldn't at least match the power output of the outgoing same displacement engine is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    155bhp will translate to about 125whp. US cars without the exploding hood and 2.0L will likely be closer to 2270lbs curb weight, my guess. Of the NA and NB (1st, 2nd gen) cars, the 49 state, '99 base model was the fastest at about 125whp and the same 2300 lbs. The base NC2's were around 2450lbs and 135whp.

    NB1 18.4 lbs/hp
    NC2 18.1 lbs/hp
    ND (USDM) estimated 18.4 lbs/hp

    I'm pretty sure the improvements in aero, chassis stiffness, lower PMI, better weight distribution and lower overall weight will make the ND the fastest stock Miata ever by a small but definable margin. The FRS ends up being as fast or faster than a stock S2000 on equal tires on fast tracks, largely due to the far superior aerodynamics. The 1st gen Miata had abysmal aerodynamics.

    Being as light as it is, it will be equally responsive to small gains in power just as the early cars are.

    Without driver:

    Subaru STi 305bhp/250whp 3450lbs 13.8lbs/hp
    S2000 240bhp/197whp 2750lbs 13.96lbs/hp
    SuperMiata is 2100 lbs/ 140whp 15lbs/hp
    FRS/BRZ 200bhp/167whp 2780lbs 16.65lbs/hp
    ND, estimated 18.16lbs hp
    ND with 50lbs weight reduction (exhaust, steering wheel, removing knick knacks), + 15whp from simple bolt ons 15.85 lbs/hp
    ND + 30lbs Rotrex kit +65whp (190whp) from small Rotrex 12.1lbs/hp
    All good,but this math relies on "rumors" about the weight and there is a reason for that.But the time will tell.

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