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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    you know that Corvette engine's camshaft don't sit on top. it has these rods that goes up and down, pushing valves open. state of the art technology in 1930s
    Good ol' American Iron pushrod V-8. Simple and makes a lot of power. Not like those highstrung no-torque 4-bangers in the twitchy butt cars that you have to run over 8000 rpm all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    you know that Corvette engine's camshaft don't sit on top, that lowly Nissan Sentra, Kia Rio uses. instead, Corvette has these rods that goes up and down, pushing valves open. state of the art technology in 1930s
    Pushrods for $100, Alex!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Good ol' American Iron pushrod V-8. Simple and makes a lot of power. Not like those highstrung no-torque 4-bangers in the twitchy butt cars that you have to run over 8000 rpm all the time.
    What does your Evo use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocNrock View Post
    Another San Diegan like me. Cool.

    I would agree that a GT3 would require more skill and precision to drive at the edge, no question about that. That does not mean it is a better car. To say a GT-R drives itself is preposterous. If that was the case, the car must have artificial intellegence too. There are plenty of You Tube videos documenting totalled GT-R's. That must mean the car was depressed and suicidal. Maybe I should add Prozac to the gas tank during track days. Sorry, but anyone who says such things clearly has never driven one and is misinformed. It is easy to drive near the limits, yes.

    Have you seen one in competition in the races of which you speak? Once the GT-R's start to arrive, I think you'll find them formidible competition to the GT3. This is because they are engineered very well, and as such, are very easy to drive near the edge. That does not mean they drive themselves. IIRC, the GT-R has a faster Nurbrugring time (before you say it was done on R-comps or slicks, none were available for the GT-R until about 4 months ago). Also, some race series' require RWD. If that is the case, you won't see a GT-R competing.

    Seriously though, you are talking about your first track day (I'm sure you've done many since then). It would be a reasonable assumption that, since the GT3 driver was in the same run group, that he was a newb, too, with a very expensive car. In that case, I agree with you and RichardEVO that there will be some disparity in driver skills (and willingness to push the car and scratch or dent it). As people advance up the HPDE hierarchy, one would expect those skills and risk-aversion to become more evenly matched.

    I'm comparing cars in the high-intermediate and advanced groups, not the first-timers.

    JMHO.
    If a GT3 and a GT-R were to ever meet @ a pro event, they would not be in the same class. Rear engine Porsche have won Speed WC, Rolex GT, and many many FIA GT2/3 and other derivatives. In Rolex they compete against only tube frame cars, and they kick ass. They have proved themselves over and over again. There is no other manufacturer that can even come close to saying they have experienced the same amount of success on the pro level.

    They have in unparalleled amount of factory support from the manufacturer. Aside from dampers, you can buy all your go fast goodies from them.

    I'm not saying that they are better than x or y car. Yes, the GTR, ZR1, and even C6 Z06 is faster on most circuits.

    But IMO, none provide the same overall package. The brakes, transmission, and driver involvement, interior fit and finish, I guess I'm just a fan boy. No, I just have a very passionate and relationship with the manufacturer.

    I was talking with one of my buddies the other day. I cannot believe that in this day in age, with all our technology, there are no options for a 3000# naturally aspirated, ~450hp, rear wheel drive sports cars for sale.

    FWIW, being an engineer and gear head, I love GT-R's, they're bad ass, and I wish I owned one, to park right next to my GT3, but for me GT-R=daily, GT3=track toy.

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    It's a daily driver, not a race car or a track day car. It has 1997 cc interference dohc 4-banger with turbocharger, intercooler, variable valve timing, all wheel drive, and is the perfect street car. I have 78,000 miles on it, and I hope it lasts forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    It's a daily driver, not a race car or a track day car. It has 1997 cc interference dohc 4-banger with turbocharger, intercooler, variable valve timing, all wheel drive, and is the perfect street car. I have 78,000 miles on it, and I hope it lasts forever.
    another one of those that drives itself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino Antonov View Post
    I cannot believe that in this day in age, with all our technology, there are no options for a 3000# naturally aspirated, ~450hp, rear wheel drive sports cars for sale.
    2010 Corvette Z06. 505 hp, normally aspirated. Rear wheel drive. Curb weight 3136 lbs. Only available with 6-speed manual gearbox and clutch pedal. Only available as a coupe. 'Nuf said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    It's a daily driver, not a race car or a track day car. It has 1997 cc interference dohc 4-banger with turbocharger, intercooler, variable valve timing, all wheel drive, and is the perfect street car. I have 78,000 miles on it, and I hope it lasts forever.
    Its not, I thought it held the production car record @ button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino Antonov View Post
    If a GT3 and a GT-R were to ever meet @ a pro event, they would not be in the same class. Rear engine Porsche have won Speed WC, Rolex GT, and many many FIA GT2/3 and other derivatives. In Rolex they compete against only tube frame cars, and they kick ass. They have proved themselves over and over again. There is no other manufacturer that can even come close to saying they have experienced the same amount of success on the pro level.

    They have in unparalleled amount of factory support from the manufacturer. Aside from dampers, you can buy all your go fast goodies from them.

    I'm not saying that they are better than x or y car. Yes, the GTR, ZR1, and even C6 Z06 is faster on most circuits.

    But IMO, none provide the same overall package. The brakes, transmission, and driver involvement, interior fit and finish, I guess I'm just a fan boy. No, I just have a very passionate and relationship with the manufacturer.

    I was talking with one of my buddies the other day. I cannot believe that in this day in age, with all our technology, there are no options for a 3000# naturally aspirated, ~450hp, rear wheel drive sports cars for sale.

    FWIW, being an engineer and gear head, I love GT-R's, they're bad ass, and I wish I owned one, to park right next to my GT3, but for me GT-R=daily, GT3=track toy.
    No worries man, its all good. The only point I was trying to make is that an average HPDE driver like myself can probably make a better time with a GT-R than a GT3. To me, and this is just my humble opinion, that makes a better engineered car. I'll take the GT-R over the GT3 anyday. If money was no object, I'd love to have a GT3 or GT2 to drive on the weekends for a change of pace, but nothing about any Porsche makes me look at my GT-R any the less. I guess I am a very happy and proud owner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    It's a daily driver, not a race car or a track day car. It has 1997 cc interference dohc 4-banger with turbocharger, intercooler, variable valve timing, all wheel drive, and is the perfect street car. I have 78,000 miles on it, and I hope it lasts forever.

    It would also make a great track car, but you know this already. I'm sure it also makes a GREAT street car!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    another one of those that drives itself
    Sorry, but:

    Not you William, your target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    another one of those that drives itself
    I need my street car to drive itself, because I'm too busy drinking whisky, smoking cigars, talking on the phone, eating spareribs, texting, and reading the newspaper while I drive to actually control it myself.
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    my focus drives itself....right off track when i hit the gas if im not careful

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocNrock View Post




    No worries, man. It is what it is. Leaf springs, seriously? They must have engineered them quite effectively.
    They are pretty spiffy leaf springs. They way they have them mounted they work as both a spring and a sway bar all in one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    They are pretty spiffy leaf springs. They way they have them mounted they work as both a spring and a sway bar all in one.
    I can't LOL because many of these guys with the Vettes are still faster than me.

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    I agree with those that said it is hard to discern between cars at the HPDE or even club sport level. The range of skill and setup variation is just too great to make a good comparison.

    Dino, that makes the makes two Porsche fan boys. I have the utmost admiration for a company that has refined a design for 40 years until they created what I believe is the best sports car on sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocNrock View Post
    To say a GT-R drives itself is preposterous. If that was the case, the car must have artificial intellegence too. There are plenty of You Tube videos documenting totalled GT-R's. That must mean the car was depressed and suicidal. Maybe I should add Prozac to the gas tank during track days. S
    JMHO.
    Thats epic

    The "baby veyron" or "MechaGodzilla" GT-R is proof that the Japanese can build a car that can perform at super car levels with out the super car price. I love the GT3 RS yes folks I am a Porsche fan boy. But nothing strikes fear in the heart like a big block V8 running full tilt with a x pipe. The Z06 is a great car with a uninspired interior.

    Is that "PC" enough for everyone?

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    Man, I think you've all got it mostly right.

    I've been lucky enough to own a C5 Z06 and it was a great car. For an inexperienced HPDE driver, it taught me a lot about corner entry, throttle steer, and weight shift. Sure, I was just coming off a bus (aka - WS6 Trans-Am), but the car was very well behaved and didn't punish me for doing things wrong.

    Fast forward a year or two and I've been VERY lucky enough to drive a friends decently modified GT3 (good ol' Roy) at several track days. My skills perchance improved a bit, I pushed that car as hard as any sane enthusiast would driving someone ELSE's $100K+ rolling porn. (Sorry, did I refer to any of us on this board as sane? My bad. ) Anyhews, with Roy constantly telling me that I need to push it and drive faster, etc., I did. The GT3 was easier to drive at the limit despite engine placement. It was more fun, but less rewarding than the Z06. Neither were as fun as the MX5, but hey.

    Roy's car was not stock (mine was), but things like heel-toe, shifts, wheel feedback, and brake response were just much more sharp and purpose built than in the Vette. But for a $52K car, the ol' C5 Z06 couldn't be matched for outright get yourself around - track or daily driver. Yeah, I would choose a GT3 over it... well... ROY's GT3 over it... for maybe a few grand more - but not $40K. I ain'ts Kobe.

    Guess that whole spiel was to say there's just way too many differences in these many track day cars, but it's the differences that I like so much. It's hard to compare them side by side to pick a clear winner, but hell, that's what we do. So many variables: cost being a big one - driver style/skill another, engine placement, hp... it's just fun to see apples and oranges within a tick of each other around WSIR or SOWS. The joy of our hobby (and some of y'all's profession - JEALOUS!!)

    Anyway, now I gotta drive a GT-R. So I can compare it to my old Miata. Or the Scion tC!

    my .02, adjusted for inflation...

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