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    Default Chief Test Driver for McLaren calls WSIR a "horrendous racetrack"?

    Talking about this video, go too :50 seconds in..



    I assume hes referring to this promotional video where they stress tested the P1 around California and at WSIR.




    I mean, it IS a dilapidated racetrack, but its OUR horrendous racetrack. :]

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    I love WSIR, warts and all . . . and McLaren's "chief test driver" is missing apexes.
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    thank god they didn't take him to buttonwillow

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    Could be talking about the weather. That place is pretty nasty.

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    While I agree that WSIR is a horrendous facility, I think the driver was speaking more to the weather conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_5 View Post
    While I agree that WSIR is a horrendous facility, I think the driver was speaking more to the weather conditions.
    An Englishman who complains about California weather? Hmm . . . .

    This is more likely a reference to the the overall level of the track.

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    Wonder what it ran there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Caboose View Post
    An Englishman who complains about California weather? Hmm . . . .

    This is more likely a reference to the the overall level of the track.
    Dude, this willow springs. The english are good at being rained on. If you take an englishman to the high desert in august they probably melt.
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    Good point.

    Still, these guys can be grittier than they appear. They stuck it out in India, Burma, and Singapore for a pretty long time.

    I guess we will never know, but I am consistently impressed by the videos of their tracks - or even most American, non Socal tracks.

    As such, I am afraid that our tracks reflect our sad surrender to socio-economic decay. Southern California - entropy rules.
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    To my ear, he's clearly talking about hot and cold weather testing. From the arctic to death valley. He means the heat.

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    It's not just SoCal. Pacific Raceways up near Seattle is the same vintage and condition (maybe slightly better) than WSIR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    Dude, this willow springs. The english are good at being rained on. If you take an englishman to the high desert in august they probably melt.
    melt? Heck, I'm surprised they didn't burst into flames! English people are PALE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveLevin View Post
    English people are PALE.
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    You might want to go to England and verify this for yourself. It's kinda like saying all Americans are white and wear cowboy hats

    If only limiting it to southern california...WSIR is a **** facility... track is just meh.
    Chuckwalla is MUCH MUCH MUCH nicer.

    Want to broaden the scope, SMMP is better than any southern region track (except maybe Sears/Infineon/Sonoma)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeColangelo View Post
    It's not just SoCal. Pacific Raceways up near Seattle is the same vintage and condition (maybe slightly better) than WSIR.
    The turn 8 pavement is real bad there.
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    A high speed track like WSIR will never be built again in the USA, due to modern liability concerns. All new racetracks are like Chuckwalla -- medium speed club tracks where the rich car owners can't kill themselves in their Ferraris, Lamborghinis, and McLarens.
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    Taking things further, it would be nice to see newer configurations added to WSIR. Great track if you want to go fast, boring otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Olsen View Post
    To my ear, he's clearly talking about hot and cold weather testing. From the arctic to death valley. He means the heat.
    Jack,

    Hard to say, but he called it a horrendous race track, not horrendous conditions. But considering how badly I drive this track, I should temper my criticism.

    Regardless, some in car footage along the lines of the track classic would have been nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    A high speed track like WSIR will never be built again is the USA, due to modern liability concerns. All new racetracks are like Chuckwalla -- medium speed club tracks where the rich car owners can't kill themselves in their Ferraris, Lamborghinis, and McLarens.
    Most new tracks are designed by the same guy and are hpde tracks. COTA is a proper racetrack...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2GRX7 View Post
    Taking things further, it would be nice to see newer configurations added to WSIR. Great track if you want to go fast, boring otherwise.
    Ever heard of Streets of Willow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2GRX7 View Post
    Taking things further, it would be nice to see newer configurations added to WSIR. Great track if you want to go fast, boring otherwise.
    I don't think it's boring. For example, trying to go through Turn 9 correctly and as fast as possible is anything but boring . . .
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