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Thread: Chevy Cannibalizes the Corvette

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    Chevrolet needs to offer that car without a supercharger. Even though it would have less power, it would be better.

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    Was anything learned from the corvette? Does the Camaro overheat? Or... did GM do the same thing expecting a different result?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucfbrett View Post
    Chevrolet needs to offer that car without a supercharger. Even though it would have less power, it would be better.
    It's out there:


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    V6LE vs. M2 @ Streets (Randy Pobst, driver)


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    Wow.

    I'm a Mustang guy (although that might change soon) but I'd take that beast over any Mustang. What an incredible car. It not only is a track beast, it looks great, too.

    But, yeah, like Carl asked, does this beast have an overheating issue? I'd expect Randy Pobst to mention that if it did. Also, no mention of brake cooling ducts. I'm assuming anything this fast and heavy would need them

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeColangelo View Post
    But, yeah, like Carl asked, does this beast have an overheating issue? I'd expect Randy Pobst to mention that if it did.
    problem is it always take a while before reviewers (even Randy) will talk about overheating......first couple of z06 tests, they didn't talk about it either..... same with Type-R....Focus RS...
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    There is another review where they pounded on the car for three days this past spring, one of them all day at WSIR, and they crowed about how it did not overheat at all. They said GM fixed the cooling problems that exist with that engine in the Z06.

    I don't think they could have done a more glowing review of a car - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0amO_lJks8

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    2s faster than GT350R around Laguna Seca. The GT350R is perhaps 1.5s faster than the GT350 due to the lighter weight and stickier PSC2. Impressive.

    One thing about those Motor Trend tests, they never correct for weather. So one test might be done on a 95 day in August and another one might be done on a 50 day in February. That in itself is going to be 3 seconds easy.
    And that's just accounting for grip and normally aspirated power. A forced induction engine is going to benefit even more by the cold weather.
    Then you have the issue of track condition. If a club race or HPDE was run over the weekend in there's a bunch of DOT race rubber on the track and it hasn't rained then the track is going to be super fast. Conversely if it rained just before the test, the track is going to be green and gripless.
    That can be 1.5s easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    2s faster than GT350R around Laguna Seca. The GT350R is perhaps 1.5s faster than the GT350 due to the lighter weight and stickier PSC2. Impressive.
    GT350 is more than 2 seconds off an R.

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    One thing about those Motor Trend tests, they never correct for weather. So one test might be done on a 95 day in August and another one might be done on a 50 day in February. That in itself is going to be 3 seconds easy.
    And that's just accounting for grip and normally aspirated power. A forced induction engine is going to benefit even more by the cold weather.
    Then you have the issue of track condition. If a club race or HPDE was run over the weekend in there's a bunch of DOT race rubber on the track and it hasn't rained then the track is going to be super fast. Conversely if it rained just before the test, the track is going to be green and gripless.
    That can be 1.5s easy.
    Very true. Which is why I feel that all magazine tests have no value other than entertainment to an audience that doesn't know any better. Since you know and understand this, you're the 0.0001%

    As far as magazines go, MT does the best job but they still have fundamentally flawed test methods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Caboose View Post
    It's out there:
    Yes, but I want the carnards and the wing, too.

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    gawd, I hate how GM names their model lineup !!!
    what's up with ZL1 1LE ? just random letters and numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ucfbrett View Post
    Chevrolet needs to offer that car without a supercharger. Even though it would have less power, it would be better.
    Me too. That car's pretty awesome.

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    They seem random, but they're really not. They are "regular production option" (RPO) codes GM has been using for decades. Z28 isn't just a cool sounding car name. It's an option code for "merchandised package, special performance."

    They are all alpha-numeric and they describe the options a given car has. All GM cars have an RPO label on them somewhere, whether it's in the glove box, on the bottom side of the trunk lid or in the console. That's what tells people how the car was outfitted.

    For example, any car with a G80 on its RPO label has limited slip or a locking differential. Engine codes begin with L. Paint codes are two digits followed by a U and L for upper and lower colors if two-tone. F codes related to suspension systems.

    1LE is simply noted as "performance package components"

    Z codes refer to everything from seats to spare tire options, but ZL1 is odd, defined as "ZL1 : NOISE CONTROL WITH LESS THAN 8000 LB GVW"

    Here's a link to a good master list of RPO codes:

    http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...GM_master_list

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucfbrett View Post
    They seem random, but they're really not. They are "regular production option" (RPO) codes GM has been using for decades. Z28 isn't just a cool sounding car name. It's an option code for "merchandised package, special performance."

    They are all alpha-numeric and they describe the options a given car has. All GM cars have an RPO label on them somewhere, whether it's in the glove box, on the bottom side of the trunk lid or in the console. That's what tells people how the car was outfitted.

    For example, any car with a G80 on its RPO label has limited slip or a locking differential. Engine codes begin with L. Paint codes are two digits followed by a U and L for upper and lower colors if two-tone. F codes related to suspension systems.

    1LE is simply noted as "performance package components"

    Z codes refer to everything from seats to spare tire options, but ZL1 is odd, defined as "ZL1 : NOISE CONTROL WITH LESS THAN 8000 LB GVW"

    Here's a link to a good master list of RPO codes:

    http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...GM_master_list
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    My garage is not big enough for all the car I would love to buy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbillybob View Post
    My garage is not big enough for all the car I would love to buy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    GT350 is more than 2 seconds off an R.

    Very true. Which is why I feel that all magazine tests have no value other than entertainment to an audience that doesn't know any better. Since you know and understand this, you're the 0.0001%

    As far as magazines go, MT does the best job but they still have fundamentally flawed test methods.
    I work in the aviation industry and aircraft performance data are typically corrected for a "standard day" for an apples-to-apples comparison. It'd be nice to see something along those lines for magazine car testing. Of course, this would require testing at the same track and with the same driver to remove those two variables.

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