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    Quote Originally Posted by flink View Post
    83 mph through there on old RA-1's with no wing is a reasonable speed, methinks.

    That's fast enough to be considered an aero turn. I suggest your next steps should be to fix the front aero, get a decent wing on the thing and then retest it before working out what else needs to be done.

    What are you using for a lap timer/logger, btw?
    yep 85mph on the first lap of mine I looked at on decent RA-1. We are power limited through there, not traction (but it's probably not miles off the traction limit)

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    I"ll try to keep up with everyone here.. First off, thanks for all the input!
    ok, so I guess I wasn't looking to get too deep for those of you who are getting all Gran Turismo tuning on me here. More just looking for some incite on the handling characteristics that may cause this so I can get a head start on the trial & error of adjusting one thing at a time; if even needed..
    But here are some further details on the setup:
    -no coil overs, just Progress Group springs that compensate for the engine swap; can't find info on what the rates are though. On Tokico Illumina's. F-@5 R-@3
    -Progress Group 24mm R sway bar, think at stiffest adjustment. 22mm F.
    -2 degree F camber, 2 or 3 rear. been awhile since did adjustment but think its like 1/8 in. -tow on each R wheel.
    -Brakes are overkill, Wilwood 12.2" four piston on all 4 corners. Before you attack me, yes I did have BAD problems in past.. Added proportioning valves and replaced rear calipers with pistons that have half the surface area as the fronts. Feels great now!
    -Pic of tires I was running on below.

    I know nerd driving is responsible for a lot of it, but this did feel smooth. But whoever pointed out my slight left input right before the turn is right I think. I can see that being just enough, along w/ lifting, to upset the car. And I definitely do agree I was turning in to early almost everywhere. It was pissing me off! I was hitting every inside curb, probably catching air on Club Corner on prior laps which you would think would upset car more than what happened in video.
    This track is fast and car was reacting as quick as my brain was. For those who haven't experienced a FWD w/ an aggressive limited slip, you truly are just yanking yourself around.

    As far as reaching for the shifter before i hit the dirt, I beg to differ. I was perfectly perpendicular to the dirt at 80mph before I hit. So I'd like others to comment but I'm pretty sure you never want to let the wheels stop spinning if you are sliding sideways, especially into loose fluff.. All that needs to happen is for that stopped wheel to dig and over you go, and I thought I was! I've saved myself in off-road driving in the past and think its just instinct. I steered into it and tried to pin second gear but looks like i misshifted.

    Also nobody commented on the fact that this was my first run with this splitter (R.I.P.).. If it could have been a factor..
    Thanks for all the input.. If it is just related to technique that's fine. I just don't want to be haunted or afraid of this corner when I return. Or not have confidence in the vehicle..

    Data Acquisition is Trackmaster for Android phones.. 10 bucks, works awesome and is to the hundredth of the track transponders.
    I'll try to put together a lil' compilation of the car getting loose and smashing the curbs in other turns earlier in the day for those who are more familiar and experienced with the track.
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    Oy. Who wants this one?

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    The best mod you can do right now is just to go faster around the corners, it seems you are just not entering the corner fast enough in the first couple of corners, and this mod is FREE !

    And for the corner that you spun out on, I would suggest lift off earlier, but lift off less, then get on the throttle earlier before the apex. This keeps your engine rpm up, and puts the car in a more stable attitude around this corner, which your car seem to be very loose on.

    Setting the car up is a time consuming process, in the mean time, you can do alot by driving around the quirks of the car =)

    Also make sure all the basics parts, like ball joints, bushings, wheel bearings are good all around the car. When in doubt, just replace it.

    Just my 2 cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlpineFD View Post
    The best mod you can do right now is just to go faster around the corners, it seems you are just not entering the corner fast enough in the first couple of corners, and this mod is FREE !

    And for the corner that you spun out on, I would suggest lift off earlier, but lift off less, then get on the throttle earlier before the apex. This keeps your engine rpm up, and puts the car in a more stable attitude around this corner, which your car seem to be very loose on.

    Setting the car up is a time consuming process, in the mean time, you can do alot by driving around the quirks of the car =)



    Also make sure all the basics parts, like ball joints, bushings, wheel bearings are good all around the car. When in doubt, just replace it.

    Just my 2 cents
    can't say that I was driving very hard in first few corners of this lap knowing the RX-7 and Porsche were reeling me in, in which I got out of their way. Then into the cotton corner rally stage.. was only just starting to get going after all that.
    But I hear what your saying

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    It would make a nice LeMons car, if you could get a team theme and some decorations going . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by crany View Post
    I know nerd driving is responsible for a lot of it, but this did feel smooth. But whoever pointed out my slight left input right before the turn is right I think. I can see that being just enough, along w/ lifting, to upset the car. And I definitely do agree I was turning in to early almost everywhere. It was pissing me off! I was hitting every inside curb, probably catching air on Club Corner on prior laps which you would think would upset car more than what happened in video.
    This track is fast and car was reacting as quick as my brain was. For those who haven't experienced a FWD w/ an aggressive limited slip, you truly are just yanking yourself around.
    Turning in early isn't always a bad thing. The faster you go, the earlier you will have to begin your turn-in. Your driving looks pretty good to me and you didn't make any major mistakes. Everyone spins out now and then. But when you are driving on the edge of traction it doesn't take much to screw up. If you are just starting to run with a splitter (or any other major setup modification), it would be wise to take it slowly for a session or two and gradually go faster to get the feel for how the change makes the car handle instead of going for a pb on your 2nd lap.

    As far as reaching for the shifter before i hit the dirt, I beg to differ. I was perfectly perpendicular to the dirt at 80mph before I hit. So I'd like others to comment but I'm pretty sure you never want to let the wheels stop spinning if you are sliding sideways, especially into loose fluff.. All that needs to happen is for that stopped wheel to dig and over you go, and I thought I was! I've saved myself in off-road driving in the past and think its just instinct. I steered into it and tried to pin second gear but looks like i misshifted.
    On a race track it's important to push "both feet in" (brake and clutch) if you spin beyond recovery. Don't try to downshift and stay on the throttle. The reason is you and your car are a hazard to other drivers and corner workers and if you go both feet in your car's path will be predictable to others and there will be less chance you will re-enter the track and get hit by other cars. Also, I doubt keeping your front tires spinning will prevent you from rolling over if you hit a soft spot sideways anyway.

    Also nobody commented on the fact that this was my first run with this splitter (R.I.P.).. If it could have been a factor..
    Thanks for all the input.. If it is just related to technique that's fine. I just don't want to be haunted or afraid of this corner when I return. Or not have confidence in the vehicle..

    Data Acquisition is Trackmaster for Android phones.. 10 bucks, works awesome and is to the hundredth of the track transponders.
    I'll try to put together a lil' compilation of the car getting loose and smashing the curbs in other turns earlier in the day for those who are more familiar and experienced with the track.
    Now that I see pics of your front splitter (nice job btw) and your rock-hard looking tires, I do think those were a factor. If you run a splitter that large in front, you should throw a wing on the back too. Just think, you will be one of the only honda drivers running a wing that actually does something useful .

    Also, I agree with Richard. Your car could make an awesome Lemons car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    It would make a nice LeMons car, if you could get a team theme and some decorations going . . .
    oh... ok, I see what kinda forum this is. Every industry is the same, always full of stuck up idiots who think they actually amount to something. Thought the cycling community was on top of the list but "sheriff" here is making me think otherwise. Luckily I don't put all my eggs in one basket when it comes to hobbies; so I never try, nor want, to be part of a certain "clique." I know the rap Honda guys get and I'll make fun of the majority as well. But where is the respect for the grassroots of the sport here? Saw on the new member thread you tell a bimmer driver to buy a miata an save his daily driver, but yet now you'll rip on me? I expected criticism but not just disrespect cause I dont have $500k of cars sitting in my garage. Miatas are cool on here but Hondas arent.. wow! I will decorate my car, then me and that porno'd out grey Focus can hang out.. Go back to sucking poop dick you typical Evo owner!

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    ^^Are you sure you didn't forget a k when signing up for your user name?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_5 View Post
    ^^Are you sure you didn't forget a k when signing up for your user name?
    lol.. that's actually funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crany View Post
    I dont have $500k of cars sitting in my garage.
    Niether do I. I have about about $60k of cars in my garage -- total.
    Miatas are cool on here but Hondas arent.. wow!
    You are obviously new here. The Honda S2000 is the unoffical website track car here. Miata is second.
    I will decorate my car, then me and that porno'd out grey Focus can hang out..
    Be careful, the owner of the Focus is your Mom's main squeeze.
    Go back to sucking poop dick you typical Evo owner!
    Hey, show some respect! That's "Mr. Sucking Poop Dick" to the likes of you.
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    With a splitter that big, you effectively added alot of front grip. When you lifted right before the turn, you lost rear grip and when you hit club corner, it further upset the car.

    I would take that turn flat out. You can carry a little more speed through that corner judging by the lack of how much you tracked out entering the bus stop and how early your turn in was. But, to carry more speed through that corner, you need to exit cotton corners faster.

    I'm no pro, but this is my understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crany View Post
    oh... ok, I see what kinda forum this is. Every industry is the same, always full of stuck up idiots who think they actually amount to something. Thought the cycling community was on top of the list but "sheriff" here is making me think otherwise. Luckily I don't put all my eggs in one basket when it comes to hobbies; so I never try, nor want, to be part of a certain "clique." I know the rap Honda guys get and I'll make fun of the majority as well. But where is the respect for the grassroots of the sport here? Saw on the new member thread you tell a bimmer driver to buy a miata an save his daily driver, but yet now you'll rip on me? I expected criticism but not just disrespect cause I dont have $500k of cars sitting in my garage. Miatas are cool on here but Hondas arent.. wow! I will decorate my car, then me and that porno'd out grey Focus can hang out.. Go back to sucking poop dick you typical Evo owner!
    ban?

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    Another great thread that was going to be helpful to many, brought to its knees by poisonous comments from a long time member.....so sad yet so typical. I was actually learning a bit too.

    Thanks

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    What's poisonous about saying it would make a good lemons car? It would and another long time member agreed. Most lemons cars cost at least as much as the OP's car, and Lemons racing is fun.
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    No ban, it was being suggested that this decent looking/performing car should be entered into a race that is kind of a joke. I could be wrong about that,but I looked it up and it seems to be a "fun and goofy race". I would take offense to that too, if my help thread turned into making fun....
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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    ban?
    No. Admin did not ban Astraist, and look at all the fun we had with him. Of course he did not call me "Mr. Sucking Poop Dick."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bumpiptheroad View Post
    No ban, it was being suggested that this decent looking/performing car should be entered into a race that is kind of a joke. I could be wrong about that,but I looked it up and it seems to be a "fun and goofy race". I would take offense to that too, if my help thread turned into making fun....
    Have you ever raced in LeMons? I have. The fields are huge and the LeMons organizers are the most successful amateur racing group in the country. Making a crapcan car as fast as you can while being able to cling to the fiction that it cost $500 is an art. I'm offended on behalf of all LeMons racers, and that idiot Jay Lamm who makes the whole mess possible.
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    Can we pick up where we left off with useful info? It would be great if we could all get along!

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