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    Stock 4seaters that might survive -
    Mazdaspeed3
    Mini Cooper S ?journey?
    Impreza and all of it's variants
    Lancer and all of it's variants
    civic si
    4.6lbs / whp -- 4lbs / bhp

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    im not sure i would trust a stock subaru on the track.. even some modified ones...

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    For what it’s worth…..friends and my stock cars that have been tracked:

    Full Track Day Without Issues:
    1987 VW GTI 16v
    1997 Volvo 850 Wagon
    2007 Mazda 3 Speed Hatchback
    2005 Infiniti G35 (before it was turned into a race car)

    Full Track Day With Issues:
    2003 E46 M3; overheated
    2005 E46 M3; overheated
    2003 VW GTI; limp mode after 2 sessions
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    Slow 4 seaters can cope pretty well I guess... Mazda 3, Suzuki Swift, N/A Imprezas.
    Some hot hatches hold up really well too: Megane RS, Astra OPC (they both come with nice Brembos).
    The problem is when you combine a powerful engine with ****ty brakes and non-cooled transmissions. Brakes are the first to go on many cars, then transmission temps and limp modes. I´ve seen C63 AMG, Evo X SST, 350Z, 370Z, BMW 335, M3 E92, M5, C6 Corvette, GTI MkV, all not passing the stock car track test with those problems.

    Has anyone driven a Panamera turbo? they recently held a the annual Porsche Road Show here, and that car really impressed me. I hate it with a passion, but I don´t think there is any 4 seater as capable on a track as that car. Laptimes were comparable to a 997 MkI turbo.
    Less powah is better

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    hopefully this thread doesn't attract the Cadillac crowd...
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    Quote Originally Posted by b3d3g1 View Post
    hopefully this thread doesn't attract the Cadillac crowd...
    Why?

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    they are the bros of the track community.

    And they think a 4200 lb car was a good starting point for a track car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b3d3g1 View Post
    they are the bros of the track community.

    And they think a 4200 lb car was a good starting point for a track car.
    And they are usually slow.
    4.6lbs / whp -- 4lbs / bhp

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    done 3 track days since last june in my bone stock Mazda 2, less a K&N drop in. Zero problems, stock tires and brakes. Most fun I have had on track in a while, even compared to driving my evo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    you guys would be surprised.
    but I took out my old bone stock Prius out at SOW for 3 sessions (Emilio also did a session in it), pushed hard. low rolling resistence tires chunked a little, but brake held up fine (may be it was because it topped out at 88mph, and uses regen brake) and never went into limp mode...
    so I guess Prius is the only 4 seater that will survive a track day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Olsen View Post


    My 328i was fine at Willow Springs. I've had no problem with rentals there, either. But I suppose it has a lot to do with how hard you're pushing things.

    Seems odd that an M3 would be overheating. Burning out brakes or a power steering pump or a head gasket, sure. But this is November.
    If you don't mind my asking: What was your lap time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Caboose View Post
    If you don't mind my asking: What was your lap time?
    Why would you ask Jack if he minds answering that question? I doubt if he has any problem with that. Now when is he gonna sell me that '73 911 track monster?
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    You guys are nuts.

    This discussion is like signing up a fat person for an ironman competition and thinking they will do well.
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    You can drive just about anything with in its limits on track. I've even instucted. Doing a lead fallow in my Nissan pathfinder. With no problems.
    That's not a Typo, I just can't spell no so well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbillybob View Post
    You guys are nuts.

    This discussion is like signing up a fat person for an ironman competition and thinking they will do well.
    As a fat bastard... I take offense to this comment.

    Of course I can sign up for the Ironman.




    Just don't talk to me about finishing it.
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    If you have the coin, removing the plastic bits from your cooling system is worth the peace of mind it brings. My e30 has an upgraded cooling system. My e36m3 did too. Right now the e30 has a Mishimoto aluminum radiator, electric fan conversion, lower t-stat, NO PLASTIC PIECES! Zionsville will sell you a great system at a stiff price, or you can piece it together from any number of online BMW suppliers


    The BMWs go in to positive camber up front when the wheel travels through it's arc, that's the curse of McPherson suspensions . I DD mine, so I retained the stock upper mounts in the front and added IE camber plates with those (Feh.). Hammered the car all day at AMP about 5 weeks ago, no issues.

    If you're not ready to push that M3 off a cliff, wadding it at a track day, get a beater 3 series...e30 or e36, and track that. Or, if you REALLY want a car you can virtually 'arrive and drive', beat it until the sun goes down, maybe check the oil a few times over the course of the day, and is extremely cheap to maintain and own...get a Miata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Caboose View Post
    If you don't mind my asking: What was your lap time?
    I don't mind. But I don't know. I didn't put the timer into the car. I'm sure it would fall into the 'plenty slow' category.

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    William should track his Tesla Model S. It's got at least 4 seats
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    Tesla conks out in half a lap. It's out.


    How about a stock RX8? I'd put money on it.
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    my stock Evo X survived a track day at streets of willow, other track days at ACS and Buttonwillow, not really

    depends on ambient temp.

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