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    I took my 02 E46 M3 to a track day, advanced group. I flushed the brake fluid w/ some Motul & put in a borrowed set of PF 01 pads up front, and maxed the camber. After 2 sessions the nearly new outside front tire was corded on the extreme outside edge (the rest of the tire looked new). In addition, I could only run about 2 hot laps before I would have to short shift for a lap, as the engine temps would soar.
    I called a BMW race shop, and it seems at minimum the car needs; camber plates, stiffer sway bar, springs and wider front wheels and uprated radiator, just to make it through a track day! Ironically, the much maligned brakes were fine with street tires.
    If a stock M3 can't even survive, which cars can?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Mist View Post
    I took my 02 E46 M3 to a track day, advanced group. I flushed the brake fluid w/ some Motul & put in a borrowed set of PF 01 pads up front, and maxed the camber. After 2 sessions the nearly new outside front tire was corded on the extreme outside edge (the rest of the tire looked new). In addition, I could only run about 2 hot laps before I would have to short shift for a lap, as the engine temps would soar.
    I called a BMW race shop, and it seems at minimum the car needs; camber plates, stiffer sway bar, springs and wider front wheels and uprated radiator, just to make it through a track day! Ironically, the much maligned brakes were fine with street tires.
    If a stock M3 can't even survive, which cars can?
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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    997 has four seats.. sorta
    There's a dad at my son's school that has 2 booster seats in the back of his 997 GTS Cab. I'm told the kids have to remove their shoes before getting in the car.
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    If the driver is any good and pushing the car I'm assume anything short of a GT3 or something "track focused" from the factory won't have tires or brakes that will stand up to track abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by comradefks View Post
    If the driver is any good and pushing the car I'm assume anything short of a GT3 or something "track focused" from the factory won't have tires or brakes that will stand up to track abuse.
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    If Richard were driving the M3 would have been just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Mist View Post
    If a stock M3 can't even survive, which cars can?
    Something doesn't sound kosher. How hot of a day was it? Is your car SMG? ( I know the 335 auto trannies overheat easy) Not sure if you meant engine or tranny overheat, shouldn't be engine unless it's hot as fck

    You mention "tire". Was both or just one tire jacked up? Either you had a bad alignment done by mr. collision, and/or you had a lot of understeer to deal with. Or you're just a maniac. You can try a crash bolt for the front struts for a degree more camber. Should help a lot especially if you're pushin (no experience with E46 so might not be option, I've only done it on e36 non M3 )
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    What track?
    My C63 does not have problem with brakes, tires or overheat.
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    We tracked my Is350 at streets of willow in the summer. It basically ran almost every run session, almost non stop for the whole day carrying passengers. The stock brake pads were cooked after the first session but the stock tires, engine, transmission did fine handling the heat and abuse.

    If the car had a better transmisson it would be a great track day car. The auto trans sucks.

    My old stock E46 M3 could not make it through a track day at Streets of willow in the summer without almost overheating multiple times.
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    It seems to me that of the stock sedans that should make it, the E46 M3 is one of them. Upgrading your car is cheaper than buying another one. I'd start with the radiator and camber plates.

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    Also get a Stewart water pump, not sure they make for the E46.
    Red line water wetter would not hurt either
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    Same thing for my Is300, no problem there.
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    My Old 335i could not take more then 2 laps at BW. It would put me in limp mode(
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    My 328i was fine at Willow Springs. I've had no problem with rentals there, either. But I suppose it has a lot to do with how hard you're pushing things.

    Seems odd that an M3 would be overheating. Burning out brakes or a power steering pump or a head gasket, sure. But this is November.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Olsen View Post


    My 328i was fine at Willow Springs. I've had no problem with rentals there, either. But I suppose it has a lot to do with how hard you're pushing things.

    Seems odd that an M3 would be overheating. Burning out brakes or a power steering pump or a head gasket, sure. But this is November.
    My corvette didn't like streets either. I think it's something to do with lots of 2nd and 3rd gear. At WSIR you're cramming 80-120mph worth of air down its throat and barely using the brakes, that's gotta help.

    WSIR really is the perfect place to get yourself killed in your street car!
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    As others have said above... it depends on how hard you push the car.

    I've been at WSIR in a 4-door G37, all stock, and it held up pretty well.

    Nice leisurely 1:50s, but 130 indicated at the brake markers for turn one, depending on how hard I'd push through turns 8 and 9.

    The automatic did overheat a bit, and eventually went into limp mode through turns 3 and 4 after the first few laps, but other than that, it worked out well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmoe Money View Post
    The automatic did overheat a bit, and eventually went into limp mode through turns 3 and 4 after the first few laps, but other than that, it worked out well.
    how does go into limp mode be worked out well ?
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    you guys would be surprised.
    but I took out my old bone stock Prius out at SOW for 3 sessions (Emilio also did a session in it), pushed hard. low rolling resistence tires chunked a little, but brake held up fine (may be it was because it topped out at 88mph, and uses regen brake) and never went into limp mode...
    so I guess Prius is the only 4 seater that will survive a track day
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    you guys would be surprised.
    but I took out my old bone stock Prius out at SOW for 3 sessions (Emilio also did a session in it), pushed hard. low rolling resistence tires chunked a little, but brake held up fine (may be it was because it topped out at 88mph, and uses regen brake) and never went into limp mode...
    so I guess Prius is the only 4 seater that will survive a track day
    How would a VW bus do?

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    I am sure any of my station wagons will survive some of the tracks if driven hard,but smart.With that said difference between SOW-BRP-ACS is huge,and the difference between July and January is even bigger.For sure high-HP cars are in trouble at SOW.No danger for the Prii there,but WSIR may suck the life out of that tiny engine.

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