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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    Back to whether Big Willow is a hp track, I don't think a track being a momentum track means that a high hp car will be slower than a "momentum car".

    I am thinking that perhaps you could define a momentum track as any track that you don't use the brakes much.

    Double bingo!!

    I only use my brakes heavily into turn one and turn three. I use them moderately into turn five and nine. I usually don't use my brakes for turn two or turn eight. I never use my brakes on turn four, six or seven.

    And another thing, I run 4th gear from the start line to the brake zone of turn three where I go to 3rd. At turn six I go back to fourth and stay in that gear through turns, 8,9, 1 and 2. 3rd is used for turns 3, 4, 5 and to the top of 6.

    If that is not a momentum track, I am a bankruptcy attorney!!!


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    But Rob's saying his brakes are trashed after Big Willow, so wouldn't that make it only a momentum track for HP cars? Haha, this just got more complicated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by katc10 View Post
    But Rob's saying his brakes are trashed after Big Willow, so wouldn't that make it only a momentum track for HP cars? Haha, this just got more complicated...
    Brake rotors are trashed because the pads never came up to temp. I used the brakes so little that it was like a bunch of street driving. I either need to change to a different race pad, or maybe downgrade to ultimates for big willow since there is so little braking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    Brake rotors are trashed because the pads never came up to temp. I used the brakes so little that it was like a bunch of street driving. I either need to change to a different race pad, or maybe downgrade to ultimates for big willow since there is so little braking.
    what kinda pads is that? wat's the initial operating temp?

    i daily drive hawk blue, porterfield r4, ferrodo ds3000, but my rotor isn't that bad

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    Warning about big willow, they are enforcing the rule that only fully race pepared cars can run the Friday open test and tune. A Fuel cell is required
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaku View Post
    what kinda pads is that? wat's the initial operating temp?

    i daily drive hawk blue, porterfield r4, ferrodo ds3000, but my rotor isn't that bad
    hawk black. They gave you the shaft Richard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Warning about big willow, they are enforcing the rule that only fully race pepared cars can run the Friday open test and tune. A Fuel cell is required

    Did they not let you run your 2 HP Miata nor your 2200 HP EVO?


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    Evo not allowed on track. But Miata wouldn't qualify either. No fuel cell.
    Quote Originally Posted by Olitho View Post
    Did they not let you run your 2 HP Miata nor your 2200 HP EVO?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Evo not allowed on track. But Miata wouldn't qualify either. No fuel cell.

    So even though I have a full race certified SCCA car I won't be able to run either?

    I think think you are comprehension bankrupt....! Or maybe they are....



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    So here's my silly question...you guys don't have to replace your fuel tanks with cells?

    I had foolishly assumed all race-legal cars had cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveLevin View Post
    So here's my silly question...you guys don't have to replace your fuel tanks with cells?

    I had foolishly assumed all race-legal cars had cells.

    Steve
    Touring cars run with the factory gas tank. I think improved touring does so as well. I believe the engineering is such on all the newer cars that a fuel cell does not offer any tangible benefit. After all, the manufacturers have taken so many court beatings from street cars that have caught fire after accidents.


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    Nobody has ever inspected any of our cars nor have I ever seen anybody inspect any car on a test Friday.

    It may be a rule (one of many), but I've never seen it or any other rule enforced on a test Friday.

    Plus, as an FYI, there are many cars within the POC that run the CUP races there that don't have fuel cells.



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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    hawk black. They gave you the shaft Richard?
    i thoguht they r easier on rotors than blue from many pp told me? i guess not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olitho View Post
    I found this from last December at SoWS when air temps should be cool and fast:
    Emilio Cervantes 1:29.263 72.590 Mazda Miata 1990 Race 150

    Does anyone know what Emilio was driving? Is this accurate? If so, this car has more HP than a SM car and should therefore be faster.What is an accurate SM benchmark?


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    Emilio's Miata is a junk yard engine Miata. so it is down about 20hp from top SM pro-built engine, but his car is lighter, with wider wheels and tires. we all know Emilio can drive. Emilio's time is consistently in the 29s at SOW. I am guessing that is also the time of a top SM car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robburgoon View Post
    Brake rotors are trashed because the pads never came up to temp. I used the brakes so little that it was like a bunch of street driving. I either need to change to a different race pad, or maybe downgrade to ultimates for big willow since there is so little braking.
    Oh ok, I gotcha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    Emilio's Miata is a junk yard engine Miata. so it is down about 20hp from top SM pro-built engine, but his car is lighter, with wider wheels and tires. we all know Emilio can drive. Emilio's time is consistently in the 29s at SOW. I am guessing that is also the time of a top SM car.

    I too think Emilio and his car are likely the most reasonable benchmark unless we can get a true Spec Miata out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T1Autobahn View Post
    Thanks Jaku for the correction. I misinterpret Jack Fried's quote,

    "As for what a n/a Elise/Exige can do in the hands of Craig, a professional race car driver -- 1:30.04 in a n/a Elise on heat cycled slicks and 1:32.xx on 048's.

    1:27.xx was done by Craig in Frank's 300 rwhp s/c Exige on 048's. Craig also turned 1:26.xx in my old Cup240. "
    Tim,

    You did not misinterpret my earlier post.... Craig (as well as Cort Wagner) has turned 1:32's in a n/a Elise with nitrons on 048's. Craig also turned similar lap times (1:32's) in the Exige S with Nitrons and 048's. The S wasn't any faster than the n/a Elise, both on the same suspension.... proving Oli's point that WSIR is a momentum track.

    Video of Cort in my old Elise trying to get by a GT3 with small mirors ....... once he got by, I believe he turned a 1:32.xx....

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=2CFgml8iJ0U

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post

    Video of Cort in my old Elise trying to get by a GT3 with small mirors ....... once he got by, I believe he turned a 1:32.xx....
    A GT3 getting passed by a car [any car] doing 1:32's at WSIR?

    Maybe the GT3 should hire a new driver


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    .... proving Oli's point that WSIR is a momentum track.

    I'd have to agree with you and Oli... WSIR is definitely a momentum track.


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    WSIR is most definitely a momentum track. There are no slow turns.

    Laguna OTOH, is a selection of really sweet drag strips connected by annoying 90 turns. Three of those drag strips are up hill. That, our esteemd Mr. Evo, is a horsepower track. Take a look at the T1 and SM times there and get back to us.

    Cali Roval and Infield are the next two on my list.

    The 1:39.263 at WSIR was with the original 1.6 engine, about 100whp at sea level so maybe 95whp up there. 205/50 RA1's. With a 125whp Spec Miata pro motor and Hoosiers, I'd guess a high 1:36. The 150hp logged in the results was for the car I hoped to be driving there, but didn't.
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