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    Default Any difference between Chump and LeMons?

    Can anyone outline some of the differences or similarities between these two crap-can sanctioning bodies?

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    Lemons: Equal parts Mardi Gras, Burning man, Le Mans. Only with less skill, hot chicks and alcohol.
    Chump: Club racing for those under the false belief that because they're racing ****boxes, it's vastly cheaper than NASA or SCCA. (It isn't)
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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    Chump: Club racing for those under the false belief that because they're racing ****boxes, it's vastly cheaper than NASA or SCCA. (It isn't)
    Interesting to hear this. I also thought this was the case but haven't tried Chump Car so I didn't have proof.
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    Owner of LeMons - That funny guy who sends you his goofy emails and makes up all kinds of silly rules to keep the comedy theme going. I have run one LeMons race weekend, the "Arse-Sweat-Apalooza" at Thunderhill in August 2011. I had a lot of fun at that event.

    Owner of Chump - That phucking bastard who ran the stillborn Riverside Raceway project in Merced, CA into the ground, wasted all of his investors' money, promised us a new California road course he never delivered, and stole the whole Chump concept from LeMons. For those reasons, I would not run a Chump event under any circumstances.
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    Re-post of LeMons rollover protection prototype:

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    I've only done one LeMons race but Chump seems to have more structure behind the classing of your car and less judge BS to deal with. I'm looking to try a chump race in Nov at ACS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    Lemons: Equal parts Mardi Gras, Burning man, Le Mans. Only with less skill, hot chicks and alcohol.
    Chump: Club racing for those under the false belief that because they're racing ****boxes, it's vastly cheaper than NASA or SCCA. (It isn't)
    Yep, Emilio nailed it.

    I've raced in two ChumpCar races in the northwest and, while I've had fun, I've found ChumpCar (at least in the northwest) to be rather cliqueish.

    However, as a backmarker SCCA/NASA Spec Miata driver, I did have a lot of fun passing about 12 cars in a two-hour stint at my last Chump race. And then the exhaust fell apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Caboose View Post
    Re-post of LeMons rollover protection prototype:

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    Anyone know anything about renting a seat for a ChumpCar or LeMons race or any teams that will be looking for drivers? It looks like the next local race is ChumpCar 8 Hour at ACS Nov 2-3. The Chuckwalla LeMons in December was moved to Sonoma.

    What's a usual cost for a seat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BEbengali View Post
    Anyone know anything about renting a seat for a ChumpCar or LeMons race or any teams that will be looking for drivers? It looks like the next local race is ChumpCar 8 Hour at ACS Nov 2-3. The Chuckwalla LeMons in December was moved to Sonoma.

    What's a usual cost for a seat?
    They both have forums people advertise seats or themselves on. A more competitive car is going to cost more as well as the number of drivers on the team and what is included. I've seen seats ranging from $500 - $1500. It's best of know someone or know someone that knows someone looking for another driver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEbengali View Post
    Anyone know anything about renting a seat for a ChumpCar or LeMons race or any teams that will be looking for drivers? It looks like the next local race is ChumpCar 8 Hour at ACS Nov 2-3. The Chuckwalla LeMons in December was moved to Sonoma.

    What's a usual cost for a seat?
    ask Wilson and Grant (SV). they will be running at ACS.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    ask Wilson and Grant (SV). they will be running at ACS.....
    I hear they already have the best driver possible negotiating a deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEbengali View Post
    Anyone know anything about renting a seat for a ChumpCar or LeMons race or any teams that will be looking for drivers? It looks like the next local race is ChumpCar 8 Hour at ACS Nov 2-3. The Chuckwalla LeMons in December was moved to Sonoma.

    What's a usual cost for a seat?
    They seem to be going for around $500-$700 depending on car, # drivers, seat time, and event venue.

    My advice is to do your homework when considering renting a seat from a team. Make sure they are at least offering a safe, well-prepped car. Check it out in advance if you can. Also, make sure the contract (and many teams renting out seats will have a contract) states what the costs to you are for damage you may have caused, if you get a full or partial refund if the car is wrecked before you can drive it, etc. Know what you're getting into.

    The first Chump race I did was at Portland several years ago. The car was a total POS British car. It was pretty awful, lol. I got 6 laps before it crapped out and wouldn't restart after I spun in the rain. One guy (another paying driver) refused to strap in once he realized how bad/unsafe the car was. He never got a penny back (for zero seat time) and I'm assuming he paid around $500 for a seat, maybe more. There were some hard feelings there. So, buyer beware!

    In contrast, last year I bought a seat from a father & son ChumpCar team and they were great. The car (a Nissan 240SX) was built right, well-prepped, and fun to drive. We did fairly well. These guys had their act together and everyone had a good time. Find a team like that!

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    ^ what Mike said. Nothing worse than prepping and expenses, then the car craps out in 5 laps. Hard to believe, with most teams, you spent way more time wrenching (even as a paid driver) than driving. Lets be realistic, there are only certain cars that can be built cheaply and run enduro. Stick with those cars, don't try to reinvent.

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    Cost isn't that difficult to calculate.

    For a Miata
    Registration is $1,000
    $50 for yearly license per driver.
    8 hours of track time is 1.5 sets of tires. $700
    Fuel for 8 hours is $300
    Brakes is roughly $200
    Front bearings $150
    Add towing, food and lodging.

    This is for 1 day. Isn't acs a 2 days event ? So we are talking about $700 for 1 day (low end) to $1,500 (when you factor in wear and tear) for 2 days
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    Quote Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
    Lemons: Equal parts Mardi Gras, Burning man, Le Mans. Only with less skill, hot chicks and alcohol.
    Chump: Club racing for those under the false belief that because they're racing ****boxes, it's vastly cheaper than NASA or SCCA. (It isn't)
    about sums it up right there.

    I've never ran Lemons, but have a few friends who have...

    Lemons has larger fields, less contact, more off-track shenanigans (ie. destroying a car if it's voted to be too fast).
    Chump is directed more towards the racing aspect... I know a few teams prep for Thunderhill by running Chump events.

    Both seem to be a lot of fun if you find a good team to race with.
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    I've done both LeMons and Chump races. The biggest differance is the car count. Chump limits theirs to much smaller numbers. 30-40 cars maybe, compared to 100+ for LeMons, which is what makes it fun IMHO

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