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    Default 2011 Mustang GT vs. E92 M3

    Seems like Ford is setting it's target on the E92 M3 for it's Boss 302 - a 440Hp "clubsport" car with optional rear seat delete, front spoiler and rear wing. Kind of like a Ford "M" or Mustang "GT3".

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    But look at the specs of the "base" 2011 Mustang GT compared to the E92 M3:



    E92 M3: - $58,400

    4.0L V8 8,400rpm 12:1 103.5Hp/L

    414 Hp (8,300rpm) 295lb-ft (3,900rpm)

    3.62 x 2.96 Bore x Stroke

    14mpg/20mpg city/Hwy 16.6 gal

    245/40-18 Front 265/40-18 Rear (18x8.5 18x9.5)

    14.2 front 13.8 rear Rotors

    3,700lbs (50/50?)

    3.85:1 Final drive

    .31 Cd


    2011 Mustang GT - $29,645

    5.0L V8 7,000rpm 11.0:1 82.4Hp/L

    412Hp (6,500rpm) 390lb-ft (4,250rpm)

    3.63 x 3.65 Bore x Stroke (92.2mm x 92.7mm)

    17mpg/26mpg city/hwy 16 gal

    255/40-19 Front 255/40-19 Rear (19x9 19x9)

    13.2 front 11.8 rear Rotors (36/19mm)

    3,600lbs (54/46)

    3.31:1 Final Drive


    Very interesting. The 2010 Mustang is:

    -2Hp
    +95lb-ft torque
    +3mpg/6mpg city/hwy
    +10mm front tire
    -10mm rear tire
    -1" front rotor
    -2" rear rotor
    -100lbs.
    $28,755 less

    Would love to personally do an A-B test.
    Last edited by Stuntman; 08-18-2010 at 06:20 PM.

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    Price?
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    Edited with prices for the M3 and Mustang GT.


    The 540HP Supercharged (now with a much lighter sleeved-aluminum block) Shelby GT500 costs $49,995. The BOSS 302 price has not been released yet but should be somewhere between the GT and GT500.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntman View Post
    Edited with prices for the M3 and Mustang GT.


    The 540HP Supercharged (now with a much lighter sleeved-aluminum block) Shelby GT500 costs $49,995. The BOSS 302 price has not been released yet but should be somewhere between the GT and GT500.



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    Can you actually buy a new M3 for $58,400? I thought they were more than that.

    The Boss 302 will be a lot more than the GT.

    The handling of a Mustang, right off the dealer showroom, is nothing like that of an M3. I'm not talking about your Mustang race car, but a showroom stock GT (or Boss 302).
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    I really like the concept.

    Now if they would come out with a track oriented Z06 that so many guys are clamoring for.
    Add:
    Roll-bar/cage
    Race brakes
    Lighter glass
    Additional fluid coolers
    maybe some light aero
    etc.

    Delete:
    Power windows
    AC
    Heated seats
    Radio
    Navigation
    drop the weight by 200 lbs
    etc.



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    You expect Government Motors to make a decision like that? If so, please contact me about a bridge I have for sale.

    Quote Originally Posted by Olitho View Post
    I really like the concept.

    Now if they would come out with a track oriented Z06 that so many guys are clamoring for.
    Add:
    Roll-bar/cage
    Race brakes
    Lighter glass
    Additional fluid coolers
    maybe some light aero
    etc.

    Delete:
    Power windows
    AC
    Heated seats
    Radio
    Navigation
    drop the weight by 200 lbs
    etc.


    The deposed former Sheriff of trackHQ . . .

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    1992 Honda (Acura) NSX 5-MT - classic investment I couldn't resist and occasionally drive
    2004 Honda S2000 AP2 6-MT - track day car
    2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR 6-MT - when I need a backseat, 4-doors, or a real trunk, and still want to haul ass . . .

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    lol.. thas a pretty ugly car there... looks like a bad night rider imitation....
    driving cars n stuff....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Can you actually buy a new M3 for $58,400? I thought they were more than that.

    The Boss 302 will be a lot more than the GT.

    The handling of a Mustang, right off the dealer showroom, is nothing like that of an M3. I'm not talking about your Mustang race car, but a showroom stock GT (or Boss 302).
    I just built the M3 I want and it's $77,400. The bare minimum on their site is $61,525.

    I have no clue how much the BOSS will be but since it's a Ford product (not a 'factory tuner' company like Roush) I would guess it has to be positioned to not have much overlap with GT500 customers (so probably closer to $40K). Plus the BOSS' motor is basically the GT's motor with a different intake manifold, tune, and i'm not sure about headers or what else. So it's hard to believe it will be too close to the GT500 in price. I bet the "Laguna Seca" package will probably be cheaper to make yourself, but I think it looks cool.

    I have not driven a 2011 Mustang GT but the Roush 427R is an awesome handling car. Keep in mind our race cars are as close to showroom stock as you can get and it shows the Mustang platform is competitive with the E92 M3. Don't get me wrong. I love the E92 M3 (and have an E36) but these new Mustangs look awesome.

    I would imagine the BOSS 302 would be close in handling performance to the M3 due to it being Ford's target. Like the 911T was Nissan's target for the GTR. It's pretty cool when manufacturers 'call out' other manufacturers like this.

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    Sorry, but I still have trouble putting M3 and Mustang in the same sentence. I know you race with and beat M3 racecars in your Mustang racecar all the time, but I doubt if very many drivers cross shop the BMW and Ford showrooms for the street versions of the cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    Sorry, but I still have trouble putting M3 and Mustang in the same sentence. I know you race with and beat M3 racecars in your Mustang racecar all the time, but I doubt if very many drivers cross shop the BMW and Ford showrooms for the street versions of the cars.
    They are 'showroom stock' cars with not too much more than coilovers, exhaust, a 3.5" minimum ride height, 3* max allowed camber and cage that can't cross through the firewall.

    I agree that the Mustang has a different target market than a 3-series or M3 - as are 911 Turbo buyers and GTR owners. The Mustang GT and BOSS are not trying to match the M3 in every regard but delivering similar if not better performance for less. FC RX7 and 944, 370Z and Cayman S, ZR1/Viper and F430, there are many examples.

    The fact that the "Base" Mustang GT has specs mirroring the M3 for almost $29K less (probably closer to $35-40K less) is pretty darn cool IMO.
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    OK, but I can picture someone deciding to spend half the money on a GT-R instead of buying the more expensive 911 Turbo, a lot easier than I can picture someone deciding to spend half the money on a Boss 302 instead of the more expensive M3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard EVO View Post
    OK, but I can picture someone deciding to spend half the money on a GT-R instead of buying the more expensive 911 Turbo, a lot easier than I can picture someone deciding to spend half the money on a Boss 302 instead of the more expensive M3.
    There is nothing wrong with having an opinion

    IMO, seems like the same thing to me. Similar if not better performance for less (~half the price).

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    hey richard, ill go get a 2011 stang and let you know how it is

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    I actually like 2011 v6 Mustang. 300whp and couple hundred pounds lighter I believe. It should have better weight distribution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olitho View Post
    I really like the concept.

    Now if they would come out with a track oriented Z06 that so many guys are clamoring for.
    Add:
    Roll-bar/cage
    Race brakes
    Lighter glass
    Additional fluid coolers
    maybe some light aero
    etc.

    Delete:
    Power windows
    AC
    Heated seats
    Radio
    Navigation
    drop the weight by 200 lbs
    etc.


    that's called a T1, in case you don't know what that is, you JDM lover
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    that's called a T1, in case you don't know what that is, you JDM lover

    What is JDM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    that's called a T1, in case you don't know what that is....
    Well there you go. An affordable street/track car that does
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    im seriously considering the new stang, what color should i get?

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    I expect the price to be a bit higher than a regular Mustang GT.
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    My first track car was a Mustang and I really want to like the new one. But the over the top colored wheels and body accents kind of kills the stealth factor of the car. On paper the car looks like a winner and I can't wait to see one on track. I like cars that are track oriented and a little harsh for mass consumption as it seems to cut down on the boulevard pimp factor. Now to see the dealer "market adjustment"...

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