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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    no 55mph speed limit.... currently for sale

    https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/6124311382.html

    You could still tow a car hauler behind if your car doesn't fit in the bed.
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    After picking up the former 949Racing 8.5 x 18 enclosed, it felt like the Durango R/T was having a hard time towing it...oil temp stays at 240-250 even just cruising on the fwy. I can't imaging what the oil temp would be climbing...let along going up grapevine.

    The trailer loaded with my Supermiata is 6700 LB. The maximum towing capacity for my Durango was 7400 LB, but this has a lot of aero drag.

    Anyhow, decided to pick this up last week:

    2017 Ram 2500HD 6.7 Cummins Diesel 4x4 Crew Cab 6.4 Bed. 6 Speed Automatic Tranny 3.42 Ratio Tradesman (didn't want any expensive electronics that would fail when car is out of warranty). Towing Capacity - 17,250 LB

    Options:
    Transfer case skid plate
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    Electric Shift on the fly Transfer Case
    LED Bed Lighting
    Park Assist
    Back Up Camera
    Trailer Brake Controller
    UConnect 5.0
    Bed Liner ($500)

    MSRP $53,490. After discount & negotiations paid $42,590 + Tax & License


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    Bet it tow's like nothing is even back there now! Congrats Alan. Man truck.
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    Wow, that thing is amazing. Is that really a tilt-bed too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force McCocken View Post
    It would be perfect if it had Texas long horn horns mounted on the front. And maybe a Cummins diesel engine and Alison transmission . . .
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    Our Eldo had a 502 high comp engine. I think the best it got was 8mpg. Still, not being a trailer you could tow at what ever speed you want. Speed and momentum may be the plan to prevent from high-centering in that rig.
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    Anyone have a experience with the new Chevy Express or GMC small diesel in the full size van?

    2017 EXPRESS WT (RWD, 2500 REGULAR WHEELBASE)
    The available Duramax® 2.8L Turbo-Diesel is paired with an 8-speed automatic transmission.
    369 lb.-ft. of torque, 181 horsepower and a maximum towing power of 6200 lbs.
    low noise and vibration allow for driving comfort and control.
    Rear axle, 3.42 ratio

    I have seen different numbers on the tow rating that seem to range up to 8,100 for the small diesel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by granth View Post
    Anyone have a experience with the new Chevy Express or GMC small diesel in the full size van?

    2017 EXPRESS WT (RWD, 2500 REGULAR WHEELBASE)
    The available Duramax® 2.8L Turbo-Diesel is paired with an 8-speed automatic transmission.
    369 lb.-ft. of torque, 181 horsepower and a maximum towing power of 6200 lbs.
    low noise and vibration allow for driving comfort and control.
    Rear axle, 3.42 ratio

    I have seen different numbers on the tow rating that seem to range up to 8,100 for the small diesel?
    Out of curiosity I checked these out last week online, seem to have the highest tow rating of any vans with a small diesel - at least from what I saw. Other than this new drivetrain, when was the last time these vans were updated? I feel like they haven't changed in 20 years but that's not necessarily a bad thing for your purposes.which application did you see this diesel having a 8100 pound tow rating? The Canyon /Colorado twins had 7700 tow rating with this engine last time I looked.
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    google search: 2017 chevy express cargo 2500 diesel tow rating

    2017 Chevrolet Express 2500 Work Van 2.8L Diesel Cargo Van
    Model: 2017 Chevrolet Express
    MSRP: $34,970
    MPG: 11 city / 17 highway
    Horsepower: 181 hp @ 3,400 rpm
    Towing capacity: 8,900 lbs
    Engine: 2.8 L 4-cylinder diesel
    Curb weight: 5,331 lbs
    Dimensions: 224″ L x 79″ W x 85″ H

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    Quote Originally Posted by granth View Post
    google search: 2017 chevy express cargo 2500 diesel tow rating

    2017 Chevrolet Express 2500 Work Van 2.8L Diesel Cargo Van
    Model: 2017 Chevrolet Express
    MSRP: $34,970
    MPG: 11 city / 17 highway
    Horsepower: 181 hp @ 3,400 rpm
    Towing capacity: 8,900 lbs
    Engine: 2.8 L 4-cylinder diesel
    Curb weight: 5,331 lbs
    Dimensions: 224″ L x 79″ W x 85″ H
    I'm pretty sure your stats are a mixture of engines or it's one of the gas V8s. From the Chevy site:

    The available Duramax® 2.8L Turbo-Diesel is paired with an 8-speed automatic transmission. This efficient engine offers a robust 369 lb.-ft. of torque, 181 horsepower and a maximum towing power of 6200† lbs. Also, low noise and vibration allow for driving comfort and control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_5 View Post
    I'm pretty sure your stats are a mixture of engines or it's one of the gas V8s. From the Chevy site:

    The available Duramax® 2.8L Turbo-Diesel is paired with an 8-speed automatic transmission. This efficient engine offers a robust 369 lb.-ft. of torque, 181 horsepower and a maximum towing power of 6200† lbs. .
    Still almost double the multi-sport...

    plus it seems some if the people over on the colorado/cayon site are pulling a more 8k?

    Maybe being a truck makes a difference?

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    I think this van with the diesel won't have any trouble towing an open trailer with a Miata on it, certainly no problem towing a Miata on a dolly.

    I had ordered a Canyon diesel almost 2 years ago but it wasn't going to arrive before the end that year so I ended up with the truck I have. I like the powertrain and think one of those cargo vans would be really cool if you built out the interior like a small RV.
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    my company has purchased 4 of those vans over the years. They are super reliable, BUT that's because technologies is from 90s. it is very loud inside (with gas engine).

    that 6,200LB tow rating is very low, I wouldn't bother with it. Yes it will tow a Miata on open trailer just fine. But that can be said of a lot of tow vehicles.

    you can buy a standard cab F150 for under $20k with tow rating of 7,600LB. this video shows one for $18k, this is the base one with lower tow rating. add a $900 tow package, and tow rating bumps up to 7,600LB. add a camper shell. you have one for ~$20k. Ford is also currently offering 1% interest rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    my company has purchased 4 of those vans over the years. They are super reliable, BUT that's because technologies is from 90s. it is very loud inside (with gas engine).

    that 6,200LB tow rating is very low, I wouldn't bother with it. Yes it will tow a Miata on open trailer just fine. But that can be said of a lot of tow vehicles.

    you can buy a standard cab F150 for under $20k with tow rating of 7,600LB. this video shows one for $18k, this is the base one with lower tow rating. add a $900 tow package, and tow rating bumps up to 7,600LB. add a camper shell. you have one for ~$20k. Ford is also currently offering 1% interest rate.
    Yup lots of new trucks on the market now...

    The ingress and egress of the camper/shell just not the same as the van doors side and rear. Also the van floor is lower than pickup which allows for more storage of gear/tires/spares that would not fit under the camper/shell I would assume?

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    I had looked at used GM cargo vans as a tow vehicle several years ago and they could be bought super cheap especially compared to trucks. Maybe a used V8 model would be the way to go. What you save in purchase price will go a long way in buying gas. Really, I hope you buy the van with the small diesel because I think it's cool even if it doesn't entirely make financial sense.
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    is GM small diesel any good ? doesn't Dodge small eco diesel have a ton of issues ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellwilliam View Post
    is GM small diesel any good ? doesn't Dodge small eco diesel have a ton of issues ?
    They most probably do. If not with the engine itself, with the emission systems definitely. After all, there is a reason that VW engineers rejected the emission systems completely
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    Quote Originally Posted by bawareca View Post
    They most probably do. If not with the engine itself, with the emission systems definitely. After all, there is a reason that VW engineers rejected the emission systems completely
    Are you talking about the Chrysler Ecodiesel or all small diesels? I haven't really been paying close attention to the GM 2.8 since I didn't end up with one but I haven't noticed any widespread issues with it.
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    Gas vs Diesel, Diesel wins every time....

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_con...&v=LfhhGI34FAg

    On the left, we have a 2015 Ford F-150 3.5 Ecoboost and on the right, a Dodge RAM 3.0L EcoDiesel.
    Although the names of the powerplants sound similar, the engines are obviously a little different than
    each other with one being a diesel and the other being a gas burning engine.
    However, this doesn't stop these guys from testing out which truck would win a tug of war matchup!
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