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    Default How do you take turn six at Laguna Seca?

    I've driven Laguna only once, but I've done hundreds of laps there in iRacing. The difficult to see apex and the dip make it very tricky for me. Even when it seems I do it right, it feels wrong. I have a track day coming up, and I'd like to be faster and more confident there. Any tips, techniques or ideas?

    I have a low powered nearly stock '91 Miata with basic suspension mods and skinny 185 Star Specs.

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    Carefully. It reminds me a little of turn 1 at wsir, but more important. Use the banking but be precise.

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    The banking is definitely your friend. You want to be as close to the orange sausage as possible without hitting it. Another thing is that since the exit is uphill, what can seem like too fast an exit as you come away from the apex on exit turns out not to be so bad because the car will accelerate much slower up the hill.

    It's a balls corner. The only time I've gotten into serious trouble is what I've not had enough balls -- if, worst case, you go off the outside there's room to recover. OTOH, if you go with less balls on the exit you can end up spinning to the inside and there's a lot less space there. Don't do it, trust me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveLevin View Post
    OTOH, if you go with less balls on the exit you can end up spinning to the inside and there's a lot less space there. Don't do it, trust me.

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    Been there, done that. If you go wide on the exit and drop a wheel, ride it out and don't try to pull it back on the track quickly. Otherwise, you WILL see the tire wall chasing you down in your mirrors.
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    I'm still learning this corner. I'll be saying that for years, but first, use no brakes. One thing to keep in mind is that Turn 6 is the same radius as Turn 4, which also requires no braking in a Miata. But Turn 6 is a double-blind bastard.

    Begin by lifting at the bridge then work up to brake marker 3, then 2 and deeper if you can. Turn in at the end of the curbing on the right. Use all of the curbing at turn-in to open the radius. Use all of the curbing at the apex to get the added camber the track provides. Get back on the gas as early as possible. There's a deep depression at the apex that really makes the car stick, so be on the gas by, if not before, the apex. Experiment in small increments.

    Aim for the clean blue and white curbing at track out, past all the black rubber marks of those who got it wrong. Slowly guide the car over to the left to set up for Turn 8.

    Never, ever hit the red curbing in Turn 6 at Mazda Raceway, or any corner.

    Here's a whole tutorial we did in Speed News:

    Speed News Vol. 4 Issue 6 July 2015 - I

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    Track Clinic: Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca Feature Car and Driver

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucfbrett View Post
    but first, use no brakes.

    Begin by lifting at the bridge then work up to brake marker 3 then 2 and deeper if you can. Turn in at the end of the curbing on the right. Use all of the curbing at turn-in to open the radius. Use all of the curbing at the apex to get the added camber the track provides. Get back on the gas as early as possible. There's a deep depression at the apex that really makes the car stick, so be on the gas by, if not before, the apex. Experiment in small increments.

    Never, ever hit the red curbing in Turn 6 at Mazda Raceway, or any corner.
    That was my least favorite turn once.

    get your braking done early and commit to gas on at least a car length before the T6 depression/apex.
    On the brake with weight forward can stuff the front of a low car in the T6 apex depression.
    Agree at full compression if you apex on top of the tall red curbing it will destroy your chassis, oil pan and rear end.

    I like this T6 apex.
    https://youtu.be/k93-k-GHmBg?t=27m4s

    Run off is good no worries no brakes the Gold DG will stop it.
    Try to get it in 5th before the corkscrew.
    https://youtu.be/4glx1pjt10w?t=12m23s

    more Gunnar...
    https://youtu.be/-8TSLnb8FDI?t=1m37s
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    Stock powered '92 Miata in 195/60-14 Falken 615k and coilovers: accelerator flat to the floor top of 3rd, wide out, late in, stay as close to the inside curbing as possible during apex but DO-NOT HIT it. If the tires aren't greasy I could usually slide all four wheels to the track out without going off, grab 4th. It's the key turn for this car because carrying the momentum up Rahal Straight to the corkscrew is where you can make a pass stick. Seems a lot of people are so keyed into getting the Corkscrew right, they lift or get their intended path lined up way too early. It can also rattle the other cars you pass in this section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ucfbrett View Post
    I'm still learning this corner. I'll be saying that for years, but first, use no brakes. One thing to keep in mind is that Turn 6 is the same radius as Turn 4, which also requires no braking in a Miata. But Turn 6 is a double-blind bastard.
    It might be the same radius as 4 but you should be going way faster heading into 6 than 4. For 4 in a Miata you probably just grabbed 4th gear before turning. Turning into 6, you've been in 4th gear for quite awhile. In my 140ish whp SPM, I was happiest brushing the brakes to set the nose and getting on throttle ASAP. Turn 6 is fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force McCocken View Post
    ...accelerator flat to the floor top of 3rd, wide out, late in...
    So you didn't even lift? That took some balls, even in a Miata.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greasyman View Post
    That took some balls, even in a Miata.
    Force McCocken How does that sounds to you
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    Quote Originally Posted by bawareca View Post
    Force McCocken How does that sounds to you
    Runnin' low on lube . . .
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    Go in dry.

    It took me a bit of practice, but when I tried it and it stuck, I kept doing it. I think T6 is my favorite turn there. In a 1.6 Miata it's painful getting there because of the long climb, but it also gives you plenty of time to prepare, look for your cues and reference points.
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    Flat out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hakeem View Post
    Flat out.
    ... with flames shooting out from under the hood and fluid temperatures soaring! Sorry Amir, I couldn't help myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucfbrett View Post
    ... with flames shooting out from under the hood and fluid temperatures soaring! Sorry Amir, I couldn't help myself.
    My rotary days are over! The new joke is about having enough fuel to finish a championship race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hakeem View Post
    My rotary days are over! The new joke is about having enough fuel to finish a championship race.
    In other words, to take Turn 6 at Laguna, first you must make it that far

    Steve
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    Quote Originally Posted by hakeem View Post
    Flat out.
    So what your saying. Flat out... of fuel.
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    Thanks for all the ideas, some good suggestions here. I also thought the Speed News article mentioned in post 6 was very helpful.

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